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> However, Swift's biggest problem is that any usage outside of the Apple ecosystem is a second(or third) class citizen. Until this is solved, Swift will remain

> However, Swift's biggest problem is that any usage outside of the Apple ecosystem is a second(or third) class citizen. Until this is solved, Swift will remain mostly an Apple only language, regardless of how nice it is. I think a time goes on this is more and more only a perception and not a reality. However perception is really important because it’ll mean even if it’s a great language with a great set of tools and libraries for all platforms it will not have a community of developers outside of the Apple ecosystem.

knighthack 2y ago
The issue is not "as time goes on". The issue is now - the use of Swift outside of the Apple ecosystem is remarkably stifled, given the lack of Apple support. A language truly acquires mainstream mindshare and community, only if it can extend its use beyond Apple's OSes.
- zer0zzz 2y ago
  > given the lack of Apple support. It’s an open source project that’s more and more detached from Apple itself every release, with lots of contributors making it better and better on Android and windows all the time. It is possible to get a vscode ide environment working for cross platform development and debugging today, which was not that easy or possible even a few years ago. There is at least one pretty sizable software project that has shipped a product on Android and windows using swift. I think swift 6 is going to be great for cross platform uses, but convincing folks to try it still won’t be easy.