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Had many similar experiences when role playing in video games like Minecraft with an autistic relative. Him putting his needs and emotions in the context of the

by 1GZ0 2y ago

Had many similar experiences when role playing in video games like Minecraft with an autistic relative. Him putting his needs and emotions in the context of the game made him readily engage in banter in a way that he would normally have a tough time doing.

fiftyacorn 2y ago
From experience it can be hard to judge whether participation in the banter is truly them putting themselves in the context of the game, or just mirroring the existing banter
Der_Einzige 2y ago
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- recursive 2y ago
  What does that mean?
- talldayo 2y ago
  "Source? I made it the fuck up!"
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    Assumptions make an ass out of you.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      Correlations without proven causality makes you no better than Freud.
- shepherdjerred 2y ago
  I would love to see some evidence
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7251476/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7251476/ From the abstract "The game Minecraft is extremely popular and of particular interest to children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder." From the paper "The open-ended narrative structure of Minecraft, especially when used in Creative Mode, facilitates constructive play of a type that resembles real-life block-building play along the lines of Lego or similar interlinking toy systems. These real-world block building toys are similarly popular among children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder (ASD" "The popularity of Minecraft with children with ASD seems fairly universal" "the very use of Minecraft as a tool for supporting the reinforcement of a positive social communication skillset is in a way, an approach which is aligned to, rather than opposed to, particular aspects of neurodiversity." "Certain communication skills, such as facial expression, gestures, or tone of voice, do not have parallels in the video games environment of Minecraft," ----- Even if it doesn't fully directly show "causality" at the level you'll likely want, the quotes are clear that if you have ASD, you almost certainly play minecraft, and minecraft is tailor made for neuro divergent people. And there's some compelling evidence showing that if you put some "normal" people around folks with ASD, it can have "social contaigen" effects - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2927813/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2927813/
    - shepherdjerred 2y ago
      Thanks for providing that. I don't think the result is all that surprising. As your quote supports, building block toys are popular with autistic children. Minecraft is essentially a good implementation of a block based game. Like you said, I'm not satisfied with the causality. I'm not sure how you'd prove that either. Doesn't autism show within a few years of age, much earlier than most(?) children start playing games like Minecraft?
- idiotsecant 2y ago
  That's like saying that round holes are catalysts for round pegs. The kids playing Minecraft are doing it because the experience resonates with them.
idiotsecant 2y ago
People on the spectrum are often quite adept at 'task based' communication, in the service of clear objectives and common goals. To the point that neurotypical friends and family might be frustrated that they are so focused on the task. It becomes more difficult when that socialization is open-ended.

by 1GZ0 2y ago

fiftyacorn 2y ago

From experience it can be hard to judge whether participation in the banter is truly them putting themselves in the context of the game, or just mirroring the existing banter

Der_Einzige 2y ago

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recursive 2y ago
What does that mean?
talldayo 2y ago
"Source? I made it the fuck up!"
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  Assumptions make an ass out of you.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    Correlations without proven causality makes you no better than Freud.
shepherdjerred 2y ago
I would love to see some evidence
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7251476/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7251476/ From the abstract "The game Minecraft is extremely popular and of particular interest to children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder." From the paper "The open-ended narrative structure of Minecraft, especially when used in Creative Mode, facilitates constructive play of a type that resembles real-life block-building play along the lines of Lego or similar interlinking toy systems. These real-world block building toys are similarly popular among children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder (ASD" "The popularity of Minecraft with children with ASD seems fairly universal" "the very use of Minecraft as a tool for supporting the reinforcement of a positive social communication skillset is in a way, an approach which is aligned to, rather than opposed to, particular aspects of neurodiversity." "Certain communication skills, such as facial expression, gestures, or tone of voice, do not have parallels in the video games environment of Minecraft," ----- Even if it doesn't fully directly show "causality" at the level you'll likely want, the quotes are clear that if you have ASD, you almost certainly play minecraft, and minecraft is tailor made for neuro divergent people. And there's some compelling evidence showing that if you put some "normal" people around folks with ASD, it can have "social contaigen" effects - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2927813/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2927813/
  - shepherdjerred 2y ago
    Thanks for providing that. I don't think the result is all that surprising. As your quote supports, building block toys are popular with autistic children. Minecraft is essentially a good implementation of a block based game. Like you said, I'm not satisfied with the causality. I'm not sure how you'd prove that either. Doesn't autism show within a few years of age, much earlier than most(?) children start playing games like Minecraft?
idiotsecant 2y ago
That's like saying that round holes are catalysts for round pegs. The kids playing Minecraft are doing it because the experience resonates with them.

idiotsecant 2y ago

People on the spectrum are often quite adept at 'task based' communication, in the service of clear objectives and common goals. To the point that neurotypical friends and family might be frustrated that they are so focused on the task. It becomes more difficult when that socialization is open-ended.