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Very few people can agree what limits speech has. Some countries limit in certain ways, others don’t. Hell a lot of people can’t even agree on what “speech” mea

by chgs 2y ago

Very few people can agree what limits speech has. Some countries limit in certain ways, others don’t. Hell a lot of people can’t even agree on what “speech” means.

gherard5555 2y ago
I believe peoples have a right to discuss whatever they want in perfect privacy. A messaging application advertising itself at "private" and "secure" shouldn't bow down at government requests. At least they should have dropped these slogans a long time ago... Anyway peoples aware of that already switched to a superior platform (signal, matrix...)
- deleted 2y ago
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- afiori 2y ago
  This seems more of a 2-party consent vs 1-party consent issue. Based on the wording it seems to refer to the ability of users to report content. If you tell me something and I report that to a third party is a different situation than if the third party listened to our conversation.
  - gherard5555 2y ago
    I get what you are saying, if you report something you saw to the authorities (for example someone about to commit a grave crime) and show them voluntarily the conversation, no problems with that the platform isn't at fault here. But the technology shouldn't allow the platform to get access to the whole conversation, just what you want to show/report. And that would be by design.
lm28469 2y ago
> Very few people can agree what limits speech has. 100% of countries have free speech limits though... even the US "Free speech" as free speech absolutists think of it doesn't exist anywhere in the known universe
- nxicvyvy 2y ago
  Why are you restating the comment you're replying to?
  - lm28469 2y ago
    I'm not restating it, merely completing it, I'll rephrase it for you: nobody can agree on what the limits should be BUT everybody agrees there should be limits
- exe34 2y ago
  even Elon Musk (praised be the world loudest free speech absolutist) bans "cis-gender" on his personal blog, Xitter.
  - immibis 2y ago
    apparently there's a screenshot out there of some Nazi tweeting "gas the Jews because they (some stupid Nazi reason)" and a reply saying "cisgender" and I'm sure you can guess which one has a tag under it saying it's been hidden from other people.
    - exe34 2y ago
      it's his personal blog, that's what people don't understand. he paid £40bn for it, he should be allowed to publish and support what he wants! what I don't understand is why others get offended when I call him a pathetic loser.

by chgs 2y ago

Very few people can agree what limits speech has. Some countries limit in certain ways, others don’t. Hell a lot of people can’t even agree on what “speech” means.

gherard5555 2y ago

I believe peoples have a right to discuss whatever they want in perfect privacy. A messaging application advertising itself at "private" and "secure" shouldn't bow down at government requests. At least they should have dropped these slogans a long time ago... Anyway peoples aware of that already switched to a superior platform (signal, matrix...)

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afiori 2y ago
This seems more of a 2-party consent vs 1-party consent issue. Based on the wording it seems to refer to the ability of users to report content. If you tell me something and I report that to a third party is a different situation than if the third party listened to our conversation.
- gherard5555 2y ago
  I get what you are saying, if you report something you saw to the authorities (for example someone about to commit a grave crime) and show them voluntarily the conversation, no problems with that the platform isn't at fault here. But the technology shouldn't allow the platform to get access to the whole conversation, just what you want to show/report. And that would be by design.

lm28469 2y ago

> Very few people can agree what limits speech has. 100% of countries have free speech limits though... even the US "Free speech" as free speech absolutists think of it doesn't exist anywhere in the known universe

nxicvyvy 2y ago
Why are you restating the comment you're replying to?
- lm28469 2y ago
  I'm not restating it, merely completing it, I'll rephrase it for you: nobody can agree on what the limits should be BUT everybody agrees there should be limits
exe34 2y ago
even Elon Musk (praised be the world loudest free speech absolutist) bans "cis-gender" on his personal blog, Xitter.
- immibis 2y ago
  apparently there's a screenshot out there of some Nazi tweeting "gas the Jews because they (some stupid Nazi reason)" and a reply saying "cisgender" and I'm sure you can guess which one has a tag under it saying it's been hidden from other people.
  - exe34 2y ago
    it's his personal blog, that's what people don't understand. he paid £40bn for it, he should be allowed to publish and support what he wants! what I don't understand is why others get offended when I call him a pathetic loser.