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I have zero issues with raising this sort of dialog, and shining light into cracks that shouldn't exist. One problem I have though, is presumed sexism. An exa
by b112 2y ago
I have zero issues with raising this sort of dialog, and shining light into cracks that shouldn't exist.
One problem I have though, is presumed sexism. An example is, this article states:
Now that I have managed to make men feel embarrassed and insecure, they blame these feelings on me. No one else has made them feel this way before, and because men are famously good at emotional self-regulation, I must be the problem.
Now first, I 100% agree than in some cases there may be an innate, sexist response here. Some cases. But at the same time, men arguing with men can elicit a response in this way! "No, you're at fault for challenging my ideas! And successfully! How dare you!"
My point is, I very much believe some of these interactions are laced with sexism, even unrealised or unknown to those perpetrating the act. Yet at the same time, it can just be two humans interacting, and one taking the outcome poorly. Again as a male, I've seen this type of response when established ideas are challenged... including the established hierarchy in a workplace somehow blaming me. Often, I've been told I was too "blunt", or that I "shouldn't publicly embarrass someone". Meanwhile, that embarrassment was derived from someone trying to shut me down, and I simply responded moderately in kind, with fact, not emotion.
(I'm a contractor, so I engage in new workspaces often, as a being not integrated into the social structure of that workplace.)
I'm sure this has happened to all of us. Human interaction is not an API with strict protocols. It's very squishy.
Another issue here is that some humans are just assholes. We've all met them. In such people their assholish behaviour comes out as whatever is most direct and upsetting. With a woman, it's probably targeted as sexism, a place to "hang their attack" on. With a man, it's still there... just personal attacks of a different narrative. You can almost see such asshat's brains working, trying to find the best button to push, the best place to lay a personal attack... because that's all they have.
I guess what I'm saying is, if you're a woman and currently being hit with what appears to be a sexist narrative, try to keep in mind the "asshole" component, or "things that seem sexist but are just people interacting poorly" aren't sexism.
And I say that fully without blame. Any human hit over and over and over with something such as sexism, is going to naturally default to this as a reason. But when I read articles like this one, where the dialog is patriarchy and innate male culture, it really doesn't help. It doesn't help, because many men do their best to police such behaviour around them, and in themselves.
And there are more of us than you think.
If there weren't, all of the attempts at legislating equality would never have happened.
So take some solace in this, if you're a woman. We're trying. Some of us, in fact many of us are, so much so that we try to pass laws, we try to stamp things out.
Take comfort to know it's not all of us.
- lazyasciiart 2y agoSo, everyone agrees that assholes exist. Let’s pretend we also all agree that some of them are sexiest assholes who display this behavior preferentially to women. When you see one such interaction, it is indistinguishable from any randomly chosen non-sexist asshole interaction. And if you’re a guy, you see both men and women subjected to assholes and think that’s just part of equality, there’s no sexism around to police. Meanwhile, if men and women are equally hurt by each asshole attack, there are many men, few women, several equal opportunity assholes and a few assholes who target women: asshole attacks will be directed at women at a much greater rate than men. You can either say “everyone has to cope with assholes, this isn’t sexism” or you can think about what could make assholery disproportionately hurt women in the field even though men also experience it.
- Unbefleckt 2y agoI relate to much of the article, as a man, and in situations where I was wronged by women. I never saw it as a battle of the sexes but rather some people having ridiculous egos.