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Beehive lab notebook: Local-first access control

57 points by meiraleal 2y ago

WillAdams 2y ago
Any word on when/if these folks will release software for folks to actually try out/use? In particular, https://www.inkandswitch.com/crosscut/ https://www.inkandswitch.com/crosscut/ has come up multiple times here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30855556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30855556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30845034 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30845034 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39249631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39249631 and I'd love to try it out, but AFAICT there aren't any repositories/releases available.
- sorrythanks 2y ago
  Automerge is available for developers. Potluck exists: https://www.inkandswitch.com/potluck/demo/ https://www.inkandswitch.com/potluck/demo/ Patchwork exists: https://patchwork.inkandswitch.com/ https://patchwork.inkandswitch.com/ (source code here: https://github.com/inkandswitch/tiny-essay-editor/tree/patchwork https://github.com/inkandswitch/tiny-essay-editor/tree/patch...) But they are primarily a _research lab_ exploring tools for scientists and journalists etc. The real product they create the essays, and with what they've learned you are now free to go and make the world a better place starting a few steps ahead. Kind of like Bret Victor.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  They are doing a show & tell in a few days: https://discord.gg/vaHd6rtE?event=1283643773724917832 https://discord.gg/vaHd6rtE?event=1283643773724917832
jFatFinger 2y ago
Read this article twice and can't understand what problem it is trying to solve and it's use cases. Can someone please explain it better? Apparently it is a distributed file management system that is Local-first access control. What is the point if the data is on my machine then I have full access already so it already is local-first access?
- jhunter1016 2y ago
  Local first doesn’t mean local only. There are times where your device will need to sync data from a remote location/other peers. That data may be encrypted. This project is trying to solve for local access control in such situations.
- sorrythanks 2y ago
  Maybe you're missing some other context. Here's an article about local-first software: https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first/ https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first/ Here's an article about why you might want this: https://medium.com/all-the-things/a-web-application-with-no-web-server-61000a6aed8f https://medium.com/all-the-things/a-web-application-with-no-... Here's another article about a previous attempt at solving this problem: https://herbcaudill.com/words/20240602-local-first-auth https://herbcaudill.com/words/20240602-local-first-auth and here's the associated readme for how that turned out: https://github.com/local-first-web/auth?tab=readme-ov-file#readme https://github.com/local-first-web/auth?tab=readme-ov-file#r...
com 2y ago
I really like the diagramming style. The general research program seems very interesting, things like Embark have that special kind of simplicity that comes from long and deep thinking about a problem.
- sorrythanks 2y ago
  The diagrams in the first half of the article are made with tldraw https://www.tldraw.com/ https://www.tldraw.com/ The lower half look like the output from Mermaid https://mermaid.js.org/ https://mermaid.js.org/

57 points by meiraleal 2y ago

Any word on when/if these folks will release software for folks to actually try out/use? In particular, https://www.inkandswitch.com/crosscut/ https://www.inkandswitch.com/crosscut/ has come up multiple times here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30855556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30855556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30845034 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30845034 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39249631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39249631 and I'd love to try it out, but AFAICT there aren't any repositories/releases available.

sorrythanks 2y ago
Automerge is available for developers. Potluck exists: https://www.inkandswitch.com/potluck/demo/ https://www.inkandswitch.com/potluck/demo/ Patchwork exists: https://patchwork.inkandswitch.com/ https://patchwork.inkandswitch.com/ (source code here: https://github.com/inkandswitch/tiny-essay-editor/tree/patchwork https://github.com/inkandswitch/tiny-essay-editor/tree/patch...) But they are primarily a _research lab_ exploring tools for scientists and journalists etc. The real product they create the essays, and with what they've learned you are now free to go and make the world a better place starting a few steps ahead. Kind of like Bret Victor.
meiraleal 2y ago
They are doing a show & tell in a few days: https://discord.gg/vaHd6rtE?event=1283643773724917832 https://discord.gg/vaHd6rtE?event=1283643773724917832

jFatFinger 2y ago

Read this article twice and can't understand what problem it is trying to solve and it's use cases. Can someone please explain it better? Apparently it is a distributed file management system that is Local-first access control. What is the point if the data is on my machine then I have full access already so it already is local-first access?

jhunter1016 2y ago
Local first doesn’t mean local only. There are times where your device will need to sync data from a remote location/other peers. That data may be encrypted. This project is trying to solve for local access control in such situations.
sorrythanks 2y ago
Maybe you're missing some other context. Here's an article about local-first software: https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first/ https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first/ Here's an article about why you might want this: https://medium.com/all-the-things/a-web-application-with-no-web-server-61000a6aed8f https://medium.com/all-the-things/a-web-application-with-no-... Here's another article about a previous attempt at solving this problem: https://herbcaudill.com/words/20240602-local-first-auth https://herbcaudill.com/words/20240602-local-first-auth and here's the associated readme for how that turned out: https://github.com/local-first-web/auth?tab=readme-ov-file#readme https://github.com/local-first-web/auth?tab=readme-ov-file#r...

com 2y ago

I really like the diagramming style. The general research program seems very interesting, things like Embark have that special kind of simplicity that comes from long and deep thinking about a problem.

sorrythanks 2y ago
The diagrams in the first half of the article are made with tldraw https://www.tldraw.com/ https://www.tldraw.com/ The lower half look like the output from Mermaid https://mermaid.js.org/ https://mermaid.js.org/