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Oof. What a sly way to imply the person doesn't have any real value to the company, MS truly be ruthless.

fn-mote 2y ago
The way I took it was that she was producing a lot of value at Microsoft and they estimated the “threat value” was very low. In this case they were wrong, but could anyone have known?
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
  This was years before Steam. It was just a regular game studio, of which most are complete failures.
- justsomehnguy 2y ago
  Funny, I just recently had a talk about this with a guy who is younger than Half-Life. ugh Basically, at this point MS already had an understanding what games are a great driver for selling both the OS and apps, but the game market itself was too small to bother with more than being a publisher: >> In the United States, Age of Empires debuted at #7 on PC Data's computer game sales rankings for October 1997.[36] It secured places eighth and 13th the following two months, respectively.[37][38] By the end of 1997, Age of Empires totaled sales in the country above 178,000 units, for revenues in excess of $8 million. This performance made it the United States' most successful real-time strategy game during late 1997: a writer for PC Gamer US noted that its sales surpassed the combined totals of rivals Total Annihilation and Dark Reign over the same period, and were over four times greater than those of Myth: The Fallen Lords.[39] Sure, AoE was a great success eventually ($120M revenue, by 2000) but it was a hit which surpassed many, many other games and but it took a lot of time; while this was still a summer of '97.
klyrs 2y ago
I read this as hubris from Microsoft -- they valued the author's work, but the expected value of a game company is negative so that's how they played their hand.
- hex4def6 2y ago
  I don't know if I read that as hubris. What else could they do? If they say "no," and this truly is something she's interested in, they risk losing her completely. I think it sounds like they were remarkably accommodating. I doubt you'd find many companies these days that would grant the same sort of deal.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    Do you know a lot of people who report to directors at many Fortune 100 corporations? I'm sure if you are high up enough, and have specialized enough skills, many companies would grant the same deal because there are only a handful of people in the world that have been proven able to do that job. How many Bob Eigers are there?
    - ryandrake 2y ago
      > 'm sure if you are high up enough, and have specialized enough skills, many companies would grant the same deal because there are only a handful of people in the world that are able to do that job. How many Bob Eigers are there? I think many people believe this, but how do they know? There are ~7 billion people on the planet. You mean to tell me that only a "handful" are capable of doing a particular job? And not even "CEO of billion dollar company" but "Director of a 200 person org who attends meetings and makes decisions." Really? Only a "handful" of the 7 billion people on earth can do this?
      - barrkel 2y ago
        There's the raw talent, and then there's everything else: occupying powerful positions near the top of the hierarchy, the social network, the experience, the track record, the lessons learned from mistakes made, and so on. There's only so much room at the top, and you need to spend time near the top to get everything else. Truth is, the everything else is a big part of the package.
        2y ago
wk_end 2y ago
That interpretation seems to contradict Microsoft's general attitude towards her: > I’d worked for Microsoft for nine years by then. My career was in high gear. A year earlier I’d been honored with the Market Maker award as the marketer who “added the most to the (1600+-person) Consumer Division’s bottom line.”
smittywerben 2y ago
I find your speculation about Microsoft's intent to be vapid and unnecessary. Those who are easy to work with and well-liked are allowed to do more. It's that simple. This dynamic is common in workplaces.

The way I took it was that she was producing a lot of value at Microsoft and they estimated the “threat value” was very low. In this case they were wrong, but could anyone have known?

0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
This was years before Steam. It was just a regular game studio, of which most are complete failures.
justsomehnguy 2y ago
Funny, I just recently had a talk about this with a guy who is younger than Half-Life. ugh Basically, at this point MS already had an understanding what games are a great driver for selling both the OS and apps, but the game market itself was too small to bother with more than being a publisher: >> In the United States, Age of Empires debuted at #7 on PC Data's computer game sales rankings for October 1997.[36] It secured places eighth and 13th the following two months, respectively.[37][38] By the end of 1997, Age of Empires totaled sales in the country above 178,000 units, for revenues in excess of $8 million. This performance made it the United States' most successful real-time strategy game during late 1997: a writer for PC Gamer US noted that its sales surpassed the combined totals of rivals Total Annihilation and Dark Reign over the same period, and were over four times greater than those of Myth: The Fallen Lords.[39] Sure, AoE was a great success eventually ($120M revenue, by 2000) but it was a hit which surpassed many, many other games and but it took a lot of time; while this was still a summer of '97.

klyrs 2y ago

I read this as hubris from Microsoft -- they valued the author's work, but the expected value of a game company is negative so that's how they played their hand.

hex4def6 2y ago
I don't know if I read that as hubris. What else could they do? If they say "no," and this truly is something she's interested in, they risk losing her completely. I think it sounds like they were remarkably accommodating. I doubt you'd find many companies these days that would grant the same sort of deal.
- fragmede 2y ago
  Do you know a lot of people who report to directors at many Fortune 100 corporations? I'm sure if you are high up enough, and have specialized enough skills, many companies would grant the same deal because there are only a handful of people in the world that have been proven able to do that job. How many Bob Eigers are there?
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    > 'm sure if you are high up enough, and have specialized enough skills, many companies would grant the same deal because there are only a handful of people in the world that are able to do that job. How many Bob Eigers are there? I think many people believe this, but how do they know? There are ~7 billion people on the planet. You mean to tell me that only a "handful" are capable of doing a particular job? And not even "CEO of billion dollar company" but "Director of a 200 person org who attends meetings and makes decisions." Really? Only a "handful" of the 7 billion people on earth can do this?
    - barrkel 2y ago
      There's the raw talent, and then there's everything else: occupying powerful positions near the top of the hierarchy, the social network, the experience, the track record, the lessons learned from mistakes made, and so on. There's only so much room at the top, and you need to spend time near the top to get everything else. Truth is, the everything else is a big part of the package.
      - 2y ago

wk_end 2y ago

That interpretation seems to contradict Microsoft's general attitude towards her: > I’d worked for Microsoft for nine years by then. My career was in high gear. A year earlier I’d been honored with the Market Maker award as the marketer who “added the most to the (1600+-person) Consumer Division’s bottom line.”

smittywerben 2y ago

I find your speculation about Microsoft's intent to be vapid and unnecessary. Those who are easy to work with and well-liked are allowed to do more. It's that simple. This dynamic is common in workplaces.