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What makes it propaganda other than being anti-Ukraine? That this is so difficult to get a direct answer to suggests very strongly that you're also captured by

What makes it propaganda other than being anti-Ukraine? That this is so difficult to get a direct answer to suggests very strongly that you're also captured by propaganda and struggle to distinguish it from reality.

jrflowers 2y ago
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda > Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented. From the specific example of the Tim Pool video posted earlier, his repetition of the phrase “Ukraine is our enemy” is a good example of loaded language meant to evoke an emotional rather than rational response. Propaganda is not actually nebulous or usually all that difficult to identify. There are of course degrees of nuance sometimes, but Tim Pool is no master of subtlety or rhetorical complexity. The idea that pointing out propaganda is the realm of people that have been “captured by [opposing] propaganda” is itself nonsense that traps a person in a sort of feedback loop (for example if that is how identifying propaganda works, if you notice that someone is captured by propaganda that is because you yourself are captured by a different propaganda). The idea that “propaganda” means “things I don’t want to hear” is factually wrong, and the endeavor of pretending that it is only accomplishes discouraging people from recognizing it.
Dalewyn 2y ago
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aguaviva 2y ago
Let me rephrase what I asked as a multiple choice question, and we'll see if that helps: What does the fact that guy is literally yelling at you from the very first frame of the video suggest to you? (a) something about Ukraine (b) something about Russia (c) that he must be really smart and have very insightful things to say (d) that he is trying to emotionally manipulate me (e) that he is my friend

jrflowers 2y ago

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda > Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented. From the specific example of the Tim Pool video posted earlier, his repetition of the phrase “Ukraine is our enemy” is a good example of loaded language meant to evoke an emotional rather than rational response. Propaganda is not actually nebulous or usually all that difficult to identify. There are of course degrees of nuance sometimes, but Tim Pool is no master of subtlety or rhetorical complexity. The idea that pointing out propaganda is the realm of people that have been “captured by [opposing] propaganda” is itself nonsense that traps a person in a sort of feedback loop (for example if that is how identifying propaganda works, if you notice that someone is captured by propaganda that is because you yourself are captured by a different propaganda). The idea that “propaganda” means “things I don’t want to hear” is factually wrong, and the endeavor of pretending that it is only accomplishes discouraging people from recognizing it.

Dalewyn 2y ago

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aguaviva 2y ago

Let me rephrase what I asked as a multiple choice question, and we'll see if that helps: What does the fact that guy is literally yelling at you from the very first frame of the video suggest to you? (a) something about Ukraine (b) something about Russia (c) that he must be really smart and have very insightful things to say (d) that he is trying to emotionally manipulate me (e) that he is my friend