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US and UK sign legally enforceable AI treaty

9 points by rntn 2y ago

artninja1988 2y ago
Who exactly signed it? Did congress vote on it?
ChrisArchitect 2y ago
Official COE release: https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/council-of-europe-opens-first-ever-global-treaty-on-ai-for-signature https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/council-of-europe-opens-...
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
Signing a treaty is like agreeing a term sheet. It’s a promise to implement a specific framework. But it’s not legally enforceable until ratified. In America, ratification requires the Congress. Given there has been zero public discussion about this bill, that it's massively important to a growing American industry and its official title literally starts with "Council of Europe," I'm guessing this is D.O.A. for the time being.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Annoying nit: self-executing treaties are immediately enforceable. But all treaties are subordinate to statutes passed through the legislative process.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > self-executing treaties are immediately enforceable Depends on juridiction. Typically, this is a negotiating ruse. In America, for example, the President doesn't have the legal right to unilaterally ratify anything. They can sign whatever they want. And we use this to annoy our allies--the President signs stuff, our allies begin complying; the President talks to the Congress, they say "fuck you," he comes back shocked and surprised.
MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago
These all seem a bit (understandably) vague. > Article 11 – Privacy and personal data protection > Each Party shall adopt or maintain measures to ensure that, with regard to activities within the > lifecycle of artificial intelligence systems: > a privacy rights of individuals and their personal data are protected, including through > applicable domestic and international laws, standards and frameworks; and > b effective guarantees and safeguards have been put in place for individuals, in accordance > with applicable domestic and international legal obligations I'm glad to see interest in personal privacy. > Article 14 – Remedies > 1 Each Party shall, to the extent remedies are required by its international obligations and > consistent with its domestic legal system, adopt or maintain measures to ensure the availability > of accessible and effective remedies for violations of human rights resulting from the activities > within the lifecycle of artificial intelligence systems. > 2 With the aim of supporting paragraph 1 above, each Party shall adopt or maintain measures > including: > a measures to ensure that relevant information regarding artificial intelligence systems which > have the potential to significantly affect human rights and their relevant usage is > documented, provided to bodies authorised to access that information and, where > appropriate and applicable, made available or communicated to affected persons Does this mean the core instructions must be documented and shared? Good luck with that one. I don't really like treaties, but at least this one seems somewhat innocuous and light on specific demands.

9 points by rntn 2y ago

artninja1988 2y ago

Who exactly signed it? Did congress vote on it?

Official COE release: https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/council-of-europe-opens-first-ever-global-treaty-on-ai-for-signature https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/council-of-europe-opens-...

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

Signing a treaty is like agreeing a term sheet. It’s a promise to implement a specific framework. But it’s not legally enforceable until ratified. In America, ratification requires the Congress. Given there has been zero public discussion about this bill, that it's massively important to a growing American industry and its official title literally starts with "Council of Europe," I'm guessing this is D.O.A. for the time being.

tptacek 2y ago
Annoying nit: self-executing treaties are immediately enforceable. But all treaties are subordinate to statutes passed through the legislative process.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > self-executing treaties are immediately enforceable Depends on juridiction. Typically, this is a negotiating ruse. In America, for example, the President doesn't have the legal right to unilaterally ratify anything. They can sign whatever they want. And we use this to annoy our allies--the President signs stuff, our allies begin complying; the President talks to the Congress, they say "fuck you," he comes back shocked and surprised.

MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago

These all seem a bit (understandably) vague. > Article 11 – Privacy and personal data protection > Each Party shall adopt or maintain measures to ensure that, with regard to activities within the > lifecycle of artificial intelligence systems: > a privacy rights of individuals and their personal data are protected, including through > applicable domestic and international laws, standards and frameworks; and > b effective guarantees and safeguards have been put in place for individuals, in accordance > with applicable domestic and international legal obligations I'm glad to see interest in personal privacy. > Article 14 – Remedies > 1 Each Party shall, to the extent remedies are required by its international obligations and > consistent with its domestic legal system, adopt or maintain measures to ensure the availability > of accessible and effective remedies for violations of human rights resulting from the activities > within the lifecycle of artificial intelligence systems. > 2 With the aim of supporting paragraph 1 above, each Party shall adopt or maintain measures > including: > a measures to ensure that relevant information regarding artificial intelligence systems which > have the potential to significantly affect human rights and their relevant usage is > documented, provided to bodies authorised to access that information and, where > appropriate and applicable, made available or communicated to affected persons Does this mean the core instructions must be documented and shared? Good luck with that one. I don't really like treaties, but at least this one seems somewhat innocuous and light on specific demands.