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Hmm this versus Kagi Assistant? Plan page says $20/mo Unlimited powerful Phind-405B and Phind-70B searches; Daily GPT-4o (500+) , Claude 3.5 Sonnet (500+), Cla

Hmm this versus Kagi Assistant? Plan page says $20/mo Unlimited powerful Phind-405B and Phind-70B searches; Daily GPT-4o (500+) , Claude 3.5 Sonnet (500+), Claude Opus (10) uses > Phind-405B scores 92% on HumanEval (0-shot), matching Claude 3.5 Sonnet. Any other benchmarks?

freehorse 2y ago
> Hmm this versus Kagi Assistant? It has a vscode extension. So if you use that, it makes some sense. Purely for search, I dont know. Ime phind is not that great with internet access, sometimes people disable the search function to get better answers.
- rushingcreek 2y ago
  Have you tried the new internet answers that are a part of this update?
  - freehorse 2y ago
    Not really, as I do not have subscription anymore. Is it better compared to no-internet-access?
nicce 2y ago
I payed and used 6 months for Phind. I am more satisfied with the Kagi Assistant currently. It does not give that many links but overall results are as good or even better, and you can use lenses. You get general search engine too. There was one UI related annoyance with Phind; scroll bar sometimes jumped randomly, maybe even after each input or during token generation (on Firefox). You start wasting a lot of time if you always need to find again the part you were looking. Or even just scrolling back to bottom. Primary issue is still that both hallucinate too much when you ask something difficult. But that is the general problem everywhere.
- rushingcreek 2y ago
  Thanks for the feedback. We've fixed the UI jumping issue. The new Phind update today should also work as a general search engine.
  - theendisney4 2y ago
    The icons cover up the input area on this crappy android work phone. I stubornly continued to type my complaint about my json getting to large for phones with slow cpus or slow connections and got 100 solutions to explore. I couldnt help but think this is the worse case robot overlord, it gave me a year worth of materials to study complete with the urge to go do the work. That future we use to joke about is here! Some of the suggestions are familiar but i dont have the time to read books about with little titbits of semi practical information smeard out over countless pages in the wrong order for my use case. Im having flashbacks reading for days, digging though a humongous library only to end up with 5 lines of curl. I still cant tell if im a genius or just that dumb. This long response unexpectedly makes me want to code all day long. One can chose where to go next which is much more exciting than the short linear answers... apparently. Well done
joshvm 2y ago
92% suggests a harder benchmark is needed, so it's difficult judge. Especially when a lot of "high scoring" models produce cogent results with a high level of hallucination (eg Llama 3 is chatty, confident and quite often wrong for me). At that level of performance you're probably in the realm of hard edge cases with ambiguous ground truth.
caskstrength 2y ago
Yeah, just went over their pricing and they apparently don't have any lower tier subscription besides 20$/month "unlimited Phind + 500/day ChatGPT" version. I don't need that, what I need is something like 100 uses per month for 5$. As a coding-focused search engine they really need to consider why would people pay them same rates as for more feature-rich competitors.

freehorse 2y ago

> Hmm this versus Kagi Assistant? It has a vscode extension. So if you use that, it makes some sense. Purely for search, I dont know. Ime phind is not that great with internet access, sometimes people disable the search function to get better answers.

rushingcreek 2y ago
Have you tried the new internet answers that are a part of this update?
- freehorse 2y ago
  Not really, as I do not have subscription anymore. Is it better compared to no-internet-access?

nicce 2y ago

I payed and used 6 months for Phind. I am more satisfied with the Kagi Assistant currently. It does not give that many links but overall results are as good or even better, and you can use lenses. You get general search engine too. There was one UI related annoyance with Phind; scroll bar sometimes jumped randomly, maybe even after each input or during token generation (on Firefox). You start wasting a lot of time if you always need to find again the part you were looking. Or even just scrolling back to bottom. Primary issue is still that both hallucinate too much when you ask something difficult. But that is the general problem everywhere.

rushingcreek 2y ago
Thanks for the feedback. We've fixed the UI jumping issue. The new Phind update today should also work as a general search engine.
- theendisney4 2y ago
  The icons cover up the input area on this crappy android work phone. I stubornly continued to type my complaint about my json getting to large for phones with slow cpus or slow connections and got 100 solutions to explore. I couldnt help but think this is the worse case robot overlord, it gave me a year worth of materials to study complete with the urge to go do the work. That future we use to joke about is here! Some of the suggestions are familiar but i dont have the time to read books about with little titbits of semi practical information smeard out over countless pages in the wrong order for my use case. Im having flashbacks reading for days, digging though a humongous library only to end up with 5 lines of curl. I still cant tell if im a genius or just that dumb. This long response unexpectedly makes me want to code all day long. One can chose where to go next which is much more exciting than the short linear answers... apparently. Well done

joshvm 2y ago

92% suggests a harder benchmark is needed, so it's difficult judge. Especially when a lot of "high scoring" models produce cogent results with a high level of hallucination (eg Llama 3 is chatty, confident and quite often wrong for me). At that level of performance you're probably in the realm of hard edge cases with ambiguous ground truth.

caskstrength 2y ago

Yeah, just went over their pricing and they apparently don't have any lower tier subscription besides 20$/month "unlimited Phind + 500/day ChatGPT" version. I don't need that, what I need is something like 100 uses per month for 5$. As a coding-focused search engine they really need to consider why would people pay them same rates as for more feature-rich competitors.