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Hacker trap: Fake OnlyFans tool backstabs cybercriminals, steals passwords

72 points by nazgulsenpai 2y ago

namanyayg 2y ago
This is quite genius. A great example of cybercrime tools being used for good Reminds me of how Russian malware never runs if it detects the PC having Russian as the default language
- sandworm101 2y ago
  I wouldnt call it good. This is criminals stealing from other criminals, which is still crime. Just as how gangland wars can impact innocent bystanders, these nested layers of illegality and theft of information can cause harm to others.
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    how often does somebody get prosecuted for stealing from another criminal?
    - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_Unit... https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/asset-forfeiture-abuse https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po... Not often enough, apparently. Not always "criminals". Just suspects...
    - sa-code 2y ago
      How many crimes does one have to commit before they "are a criminal"? If someone broke a law, but the law was later amended so the act is now legal, are they still a criminal? (E.g. cannabis)
      - sandworm101 2y ago
        Yes. A town raising a speed limit on a road doesn't mean everyone who ever got a ticket previous to the change wasn't speeding. That's why it takes special laws and acts by executive authorities to take retroactive action, if the deem doing so a good idea.
        thfuran 2y ago
        So it's good to steal from anyone who has ever exceeded the speed limit, filthy criminals that they are?
        trimethylpurine 2y ago
        If they were also using software to steal from someone then I would guess that their inertial moment would serve as neither a defense nor detriment to their case.
      - ARandomerDude 2y ago
        This is a cute rhetorical trick, but if you can’t see that some people are criminals and some are not, then you are blind.
    - jeroenhd 2y ago
      People do get killed quite often in cases of mistaken identity. Not by the police, usually, but criminal gang wars are not without innocent victims. Criminals do get charged with theft from other criminals. The only benefit to stealing from criminals is that they won't go to the police, but that doesn't mean they won't report you once they get caught. They may even get out if jail earlier by coming clean and listing every criminal they've interacted with.
    - sandworm101 2y ago
      Possession of stolen goods. Possession of cocaine. It doesn't matter where you got it. Criminals also still have property rights. Stealing a car from Bernie Madoff is still stealing a car.
    - squigz 2y ago
      In my experience, this sort of attack will affect non-criminals too - the vast majority of people who will fall for this sort of thing are young people using a family computer or the like.
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userbinator 2y ago
We used to call those who would fall for these tricks "script kiddies", as all they know about how to "hack" is to blindly run things others have made.
- rmellow 2y ago
  "Don't even talk to me if your computer doesn't have homemade transistors". While I get the difference between creators vs users, in the end we're all users in someone else's perspective. Maybe you've built your own tools, but that's just applying someone else's library. Maybe you've built your own library, but that's just using someone else's OS and IDE. Maybe you've built your own OS, but you're still just applying a language that an actually smart person developed. Maybe you've developed your own language, but that's just an abstraction of actual hardware activity, which the actual geniuses who tamed silicon built. Maybe you've built your own hardware, but you're really just applying physical and chemical discoveries that actual smart humans made. Maybe you've even discovered physical and chemical discoveries yourself! But that's nothing, you're just observing the laws of nature. Maybe you've created laws of nature yourself, but you're nothing next to your mother, who gave birth to a god.
  - jvanderbot 2y ago
    I'm being generous and interpreting this as humor. Otherwise, we can't disregard that there's a spectrum here, and somehow move the "goalpost of lol" all the way to the extreme end. You get to be smug at anyone who is on the "more naive" side of you on this spectrum. Sounds like GP is just remembering and recalling the days when they were more sophisticated than most.
  - lo_zamoyski 2y ago
    "Maybe you've developed your own language, but that's just an abstraction of actual hardware activity, which the actual geniuses who tamed silicon built." Tangent: the language isn't an abstraction of the hardware. Hardware has nothing to do with programming languages per se. This is why I dislike the term "low-level language", as if this were some kind of computational atomism. There is no inherent relationship between assembly and C++, for example. C++ is a language, full stop. But if we want to simulate a language on a particular piece of hardware, we must simulate it using the language of the hardware. We must translate it into the language of the hardware. That is, after all, what a compiler is: a translator.
mschuster91 2y ago
Ah, a classic. I 'member this kind of stuff from decades ago already, and of course also with cheat tools, keygens and whatnot. No chance I'd run a keygen outside of a VM, and for good reasons.
gfhfgjyuyt 2y ago
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72 points by nazgulsenpai 2y ago

This is quite genius. A great example of cybercrime tools being used for good Reminds me of how Russian malware never runs if it detects the PC having Russian as the default language

sandworm101 2y ago
I wouldnt call it good. This is criminals stealing from other criminals, which is still crime. Just as how gangland wars can impact innocent bystanders, these nested layers of illegality and theft of information can cause harm to others.
- fsckboy 2y ago
  how often does somebody get prosecuted for stealing from another criminal?
  - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_Unit... https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/asset-forfeiture-abuse https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po... Not often enough, apparently. Not always "criminals". Just suspects...
  - sa-code 2y ago
    How many crimes does one have to commit before they "are a criminal"? If someone broke a law, but the law was later amended so the act is now legal, are they still a criminal? (E.g. cannabis)
    - sandworm101 2y ago
      Yes. A town raising a speed limit on a road doesn't mean everyone who ever got a ticket previous to the change wasn't speeding. That's why it takes special laws and acts by executive authorities to take retroactive action, if the deem doing so a good idea.
      - thfuran 2y ago
        So it's good to steal from anyone who has ever exceeded the speed limit, filthy criminals that they are?
        trimethylpurine 2y ago
        If they were also using software to steal from someone then I would guess that their inertial moment would serve as neither a defense nor detriment to their case.
    - ARandomerDude 2y ago
      This is a cute rhetorical trick, but if you can’t see that some people are criminals and some are not, then you are blind.
  - jeroenhd 2y ago
    People do get killed quite often in cases of mistaken identity. Not by the police, usually, but criminal gang wars are not without innocent victims. Criminals do get charged with theft from other criminals. The only benefit to stealing from criminals is that they won't go to the police, but that doesn't mean they won't report you once they get caught. They may even get out if jail earlier by coming clean and listing every criminal they've interacted with.
  - sandworm101 2y ago
    Possession of stolen goods. Possession of cocaine. It doesn't matter where you got it. Criminals also still have property rights. Stealing a car from Bernie Madoff is still stealing a car.
  - squigz 2y ago
    In my experience, this sort of attack will affect non-criminals too - the vast majority of people who will fall for this sort of thing are young people using a family computer or the like.

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userbinator 2y ago

We used to call those who would fall for these tricks "script kiddies", as all they know about how to "hack" is to blindly run things others have made.

rmellow 2y ago
"Don't even talk to me if your computer doesn't have homemade transistors". While I get the difference between creators vs users, in the end we're all users in someone else's perspective. Maybe you've built your own tools, but that's just applying someone else's library. Maybe you've built your own library, but that's just using someone else's OS and IDE. Maybe you've built your own OS, but you're still just applying a language that an actually smart person developed. Maybe you've developed your own language, but that's just an abstraction of actual hardware activity, which the actual geniuses who tamed silicon built. Maybe you've built your own hardware, but you're really just applying physical and chemical discoveries that actual smart humans made. Maybe you've even discovered physical and chemical discoveries yourself! But that's nothing, you're just observing the laws of nature. Maybe you've created laws of nature yourself, but you're nothing next to your mother, who gave birth to a god.
- jvanderbot 2y ago
  I'm being generous and interpreting this as humor. Otherwise, we can't disregard that there's a spectrum here, and somehow move the "goalpost of lol" all the way to the extreme end. You get to be smug at anyone who is on the "more naive" side of you on this spectrum. Sounds like GP is just remembering and recalling the days when they were more sophisticated than most.
- lo_zamoyski 2y ago
  "Maybe you've developed your own language, but that's just an abstraction of actual hardware activity, which the actual geniuses who tamed silicon built." Tangent: the language isn't an abstraction of the hardware. Hardware has nothing to do with programming languages per se. This is why I dislike the term "low-level language", as if this were some kind of computational atomism. There is no inherent relationship between assembly and C++, for example. C++ is a language, full stop. But if we want to simulate a language on a particular piece of hardware, we must simulate it using the language of the hardware. We must translate it into the language of the hardware. That is, after all, what a compiler is: a translator.

mschuster91 2y ago

Ah, a classic. I 'member this kind of stuff from decades ago already, and of course also with cheat tools, keygens and whatnot. No chance I'd run a keygen outside of a VM, and for good reasons.

gfhfgjyuyt 2y ago

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