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If you out of gas, someone can get you going again with a jerry can. If an EV runs out, you might have to call a tow truck or cancel your trip. IMO range anxiet

If you out of gas, someone can get you going again with a jerry can. If an EV runs out, you might have to call a tow truck or cancel your trip. IMO range anxiety would be solved if EVs had a "jerry can".

JohnFen 2y ago
This is why I always thought that swappable batteries was more important than plug-in charging, to be honest. Properly designed, it would make "charging" as quick as filling a gas tank, would make having an EV a reasonable choice even for people who can't do home charging, and would make such "jerry can" scenarios entirely doable. It would also disconnect (to a great degree) the value of the car from the state of the battery. I wouldn't buy a used EV because I'm worried about the batteries -- but if the battery were something apart from the car itself, that would eliminate that concern.
- moandcompany 2y ago
  Those swappable batteries also need to work in a formfactor and swapping process that a regular, not fully able-bodied person could accomplish the task in a very small amount of time comparable to filling an ICE car with gasoline or diesel fuel to be a real replacement solution. The 'complexity' and suitability of these vehicles aren't just about the vehicles themselves but the system that they are part of, which includes the related elements of charging/fueling, the process of charging/fueling, the process of operating the vehicles for driving-- which includes how the driver needs to be more conscious of and aware of their driving range, planning for charging/refueling, etc... The vehicles need to fit into people's lives which have their own constraints for evaluating suitability.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > a regular, not fully able-bodied person could accomplish the task Why? Charging stations presumably would have staff and equipment to do the swaps. There's no need to make it so that literally everyone is physically able to do them.
    - moandcompany 2y ago
      > Charging stations presumably would have staff and equipment to do the swaps. This is a very large assumption. Also, where will the staff come from? Will there be enough charging stations with sufficient equipment and staff?
      - JohnFen 2y ago
        Gas stations manage to have staff. All I know is that swappable batteries would eliminate a fair number of the problems that make me avoid EVs. Perhaps it's not feasible, but the current charging situation isn't (for me) either. So, if I'm going to anything electric in the nearish future, hybrids are the only realistic option.

JohnFen 2y ago

This is why I always thought that swappable batteries was more important than plug-in charging, to be honest. Properly designed, it would make "charging" as quick as filling a gas tank, would make having an EV a reasonable choice even for people who can't do home charging, and would make such "jerry can" scenarios entirely doable. It would also disconnect (to a great degree) the value of the car from the state of the battery. I wouldn't buy a used EV because I'm worried about the batteries -- but if the battery were something apart from the car itself, that would eliminate that concern.

moandcompany 2y ago
Those swappable batteries also need to work in a formfactor and swapping process that a regular, not fully able-bodied person could accomplish the task in a very small amount of time comparable to filling an ICE car with gasoline or diesel fuel to be a real replacement solution. The 'complexity' and suitability of these vehicles aren't just about the vehicles themselves but the system that they are part of, which includes the related elements of charging/fueling, the process of charging/fueling, the process of operating the vehicles for driving-- which includes how the driver needs to be more conscious of and aware of their driving range, planning for charging/refueling, etc... The vehicles need to fit into people's lives which have their own constraints for evaluating suitability.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > a regular, not fully able-bodied person could accomplish the task Why? Charging stations presumably would have staff and equipment to do the swaps. There's no need to make it so that literally everyone is physically able to do them.
  - moandcompany 2y ago
    > Charging stations presumably would have staff and equipment to do the swaps. This is a very large assumption. Also, where will the staff come from? Will there be enough charging stations with sufficient equipment and staff?
    - JohnFen 2y ago
      Gas stations manage to have staff. All I know is that swappable batteries would eliminate a fair number of the problems that make me avoid EVs. Perhaps it's not feasible, but the current charging situation isn't (for me) either. So, if I'm going to anything electric in the nearish future, hybrids are the only realistic option.