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It's a mistake to think that if self hosting email is hard, then you should not do it. This will incentivise giants to gakekeep by making it even harder. Ideal
by figassis 2y ago
It's a mistake to think that if self hosting email is hard, then you should not do it. This will incentivise giants to gakekeep by making it even harder.
Ideally we should get to a point where self hosted email ecossystem is self sustaining and makes them not irrelevant, but also not so dominant. As developers, we should aim to create out of the box solutions, with batteries included (I've seen more and more such solutions, like maddy, wildduck, etc), that anyone can setup as easily as wordpress.
It should have default sane and secure configs, with a simple UI with a setup wizard with options like "Single vs Multi Tenant", integration with DKIM, SPF, DMARC APIs on most DNS providers, etc.
The goal is to kill the "misconfigured email server" argument from the giants.
- mort96 2y agoAt some point, we have to acknowledge that e-mail is already dead. Use something better.
- gsich 2y agoLike?
- mort96 2y agoI don't know, maybe invent something. E-mail is not it. It's almost completely unfederated, and e-mail sent from one client usually doesn't even display properly in other clients. The amount of times I've had to read black text on dark grey backgrounds is insane.
- graemep 2y agoIts not the 90s. You can no longer get traction for new protocols without backing from big tech and they will push walled gardens. I have very rarely had issues reading email.
- mort96 2y agoIn that case, you have resigned to being stuck without a working federated messaging protocol forever.
- graemep 2y agopretty much. I would love to be wrong so please convince me. I think the best bet is making email better and easier to self host,
- gsich 2y agoE-Mail is working. You might not be able to make it work.
- mort96 2y agoA messaging protocol where messages are highly likely to not arrive at their destination, and where one messaging client can't properly render mail sent from other clients, does not work.
- homebrewer 2y agoThis is a problem with HTML email, which has been a terrible idea since the day it was created. Some people who can afford it automatically bounce HTML email on the server and notify the sender to use a more sane format; I cannot afford to, unfortunately. What I can do is configure my email client to extract text from HTML and remove everything else, and it works fine with rare exceptions. The worst offender is PayPal, who used to send easy to read plaintext mail about a decade ago, but then switch to an HTML mess that is unreadable in either form. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20060523-10/?p=31103 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20060523-10/?p=31... https://useplaintext.email https://useplaintext.email > maybe invent something Good luck with that. So many have tried, none have prevailed.
- mort96 2y agoThank you for agreeing with me that e-mail is a horrible horrible thing.
- gsich 2y agotext/plain works fine.
- mort96 2y agoI don't typically receive text/plain.
- irunmyownemail 2y agoApparently some 360 Billion emails are sent daily: https://www.demandsage.com/how-many-emails-are-sent-per-day/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20Globally%2C%20361.6%20Billion%20Emails,in%20the%20last%20four%20years https://www.demandsage.com/how-many-emails-are-sent-per-day/....
- mort96 2y agoMost of those are spam, and the rest are sent between the big email providers.