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VR equipment is amazing, what we're missing is VR centric Linux distributions, for the ecosystem to benefit from creativity of the commons. Right now odds are t

VR equipment is amazing, what we're missing is VR centric Linux distributions, for the ecosystem to benefit from creativity of the commons. Right now odds are that if you can afford playing in VR, you probably are too busy with other business to get creative with it.

pbmonster 2y ago
A VR centric Linux distribution is not going to solve the fundamental problem of people getting sea sick from doing 3D stuff in VR, of how sweaty and disorienting wearing the damn things is, of the cables getting in the way and the minor inconvenience that displays of text are almost completely unusable due to insufficient resolution. The hardware still needs to gain an order of magnitude in several dimensions.
- klibertp 2y ago
  Apple Vision Pro can display legible text, and the pass-through camera's resolution is also enough to read printed text. At least, that's what I read about it. At this point, the only dimensions to improve would be weight and price. However, motion sickness is a real problem. With sufficiently good pass-through, it might not be that bad, but in my Quest 3, I get motion sick after 15 minutes at most when gaming. It's a bit better in pass-through mode, but most software doesn't seem to support it.
  - Filligree 2y ago
    Have you tried chewing on a ginger root beforehand?
  - pbmonster 2y ago
    > Apple Vision Pro can display legible text, and the pass-through camera's resolution is also enough to read printed text It's not even close to sitting in front of the cheapest full HD office monitor, not to speak of a modern 4K screen. I don't think anybody seriously writes text for a living with a Vision Pro in front of their eyes right now. Maybe they'll fix all the other problems those headsets have, and the average consumer will accept a regression in image quality - just like when we transitioned from CRT monitors to LCD screens (it took something like 15 years until LCDs caught up with the best CRTs available).
    - lawlessone 2y ago
      > (it took something like 15 years until LCDs caught up with the best CRTs available). I actually think colours still feel wrong.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  Modern room-scale setups go miles towards dealing with the seasickness (at the cost of constraining your active space to a room-scale, so you have two abstractions for motion).
__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
I agree it's about how people tend to allocate their focus. But I think it's more about dopamine than money. I can't even be bothered to leave my terminal and work in a browser. The idea of trying to wrangle so many degrees of freedom as VR has... It just doesn't sound like something I'd ever get around to volunteering for because progress would be too slow to be rewarding. Linux happened at all because people were content to work in text. High fidelity environments are just too much work for too little gain. Sure, some folk bother with a gui, but even fewer would bother with a 3d one.

pbmonster 2y ago

A VR centric Linux distribution is not going to solve the fundamental problem of people getting sea sick from doing 3D stuff in VR, of how sweaty and disorienting wearing the damn things is, of the cables getting in the way and the minor inconvenience that displays of text are almost completely unusable due to insufficient resolution. The hardware still needs to gain an order of magnitude in several dimensions.

klibertp 2y ago
Apple Vision Pro can display legible text, and the pass-through camera's resolution is also enough to read printed text. At least, that's what I read about it. At this point, the only dimensions to improve would be weight and price. However, motion sickness is a real problem. With sufficiently good pass-through, it might not be that bad, but in my Quest 3, I get motion sick after 15 minutes at most when gaming. It's a bit better in pass-through mode, but most software doesn't seem to support it.
- Filligree 2y ago
  Have you tried chewing on a ginger root beforehand?
- pbmonster 2y ago
  > Apple Vision Pro can display legible text, and the pass-through camera's resolution is also enough to read printed text It's not even close to sitting in front of the cheapest full HD office monitor, not to speak of a modern 4K screen. I don't think anybody seriously writes text for a living with a Vision Pro in front of their eyes right now. Maybe they'll fix all the other problems those headsets have, and the average consumer will accept a regression in image quality - just like when we transitioned from CRT monitors to LCD screens (it took something like 15 years until LCDs caught up with the best CRTs available).
  - lawlessone 2y ago
    > (it took something like 15 years until LCDs caught up with the best CRTs available). I actually think colours still feel wrong.
shadowgovt 2y ago
Modern room-scale setups go miles towards dealing with the seasickness (at the cost of constraining your active space to a room-scale, so you have two abstractions for motion).

__MatrixMan__ 2y ago

I agree it's about how people tend to allocate their focus. But I think it's more about dopamine than money. I can't even be bothered to leave my terminal and work in a browser. The idea of trying to wrangle so many degrees of freedom as VR has... It just doesn't sound like something I'd ever get around to volunteering for because progress would be too slow to be rewarding. Linux happened at all because people were content to work in text. High fidelity environments are just too much work for too little gain. Sure, some folk bother with a gui, but even fewer would bother with a 3d one.