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> I was under the impression that OpenRC and systemd support similar parallel service startup features It's not enabled by default in OpenRC because it's not s

> I was under the impression that OpenRC and systemd support similar parallel service startup features It's not enabled by default in OpenRC because it's not stable. > WARNING: whilst we have improved parallel, it can still potentially lock the boot process. Don't file bugs about this unless you can supply patches that fix it without breaking other things! https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/ea310b2e580a25038f9592da4160d017ebfce3fc/etc/rc.conf#L7 https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/ea310b2e580a25038f9592...

NavinF 2y ago
I'm amazed projects like that are still active. This isn't a case where systemd is ahead of the curve, every other OS also starts services in parallel.
- amszmidt 2y ago
  Plenty don’t, e.g. BSDs. Bunch of embedded GNU/Linux systems. Etc.
  - NavinF 2y ago
    I meant OSs that have consumer market share. Eg on people's desktops and phones. Nobody cares about BSDs and a bunch of embedded GNU/Linux systems
    - awilfox 2y ago
      A lot of people care about BSDs and embedded Linux systems. Such as: Netflix (FreeBSD), anyone with a Linux-based router or cable/DSL modem, and so on. That said, parallel startup is possible on those systems too. There was an out-of-tree patch for parallel rc(8) on FreeBSD some time ago, and dinit is parallel, etc. I think OpenRC should move towards making parallel startup stable and supported so that those systems can do that as well.
    - zekica 2y ago
      Almost everyone's router is an embedded Busybox/Musl/Linux system. There are billions of them running every day.
      - synergy20 2y ago
        they don't use openrc though
    - btreecat 2y ago
      Alpine has market share. It's just targeting a different market space than what you're measuring.
      - mort96 2y ago
        > consumer market share
      - marcthe12 2y ago
        Some Alpine linux derivatives are kinda want switch to systemd and hence the porting
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - bee_rider 2y ago
      OpenRC doesn’t have huge consumer market share, at least in the context where this sort of thing matters. For regular Linux desktops, most of the distros use SystemD.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  It is a simple little startup system with some dedicated users. Open source projects don’t need huge user-counts to justify their existence. It isn’t a profit center, people just do this stuff for fun, because they enjoy tinkering, or maybe they coded it up and decided to just share it out of altruism.

NavinF 2y ago

I'm amazed projects like that are still active. This isn't a case where systemd is ahead of the curve, every other OS also starts services in parallel.

amszmidt 2y ago
Plenty don’t, e.g. BSDs. Bunch of embedded GNU/Linux systems. Etc.
- NavinF 2y ago
  I meant OSs that have consumer market share. Eg on people's desktops and phones. Nobody cares about BSDs and a bunch of embedded GNU/Linux systems
  - awilfox 2y ago
    A lot of people care about BSDs and embedded Linux systems. Such as: Netflix (FreeBSD), anyone with a Linux-based router or cable/DSL modem, and so on. That said, parallel startup is possible on those systems too. There was an out-of-tree patch for parallel rc(8) on FreeBSD some time ago, and dinit is parallel, etc. I think OpenRC should move towards making parallel startup stable and supported so that those systems can do that as well.
  - zekica 2y ago
    Almost everyone's router is an embedded Busybox/Musl/Linux system. There are billions of them running every day.
    - synergy20 2y ago
      they don't use openrc though
  - btreecat 2y ago
    Alpine has market share. It's just targeting a different market space than what you're measuring.
    - mort96 2y ago
      > consumer market share
    - marcthe12 2y ago
      Some Alpine linux derivatives are kinda want switch to systemd and hence the porting
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - bee_rider 2y ago
    OpenRC doesn’t have huge consumer market share, at least in the context where this sort of thing matters. For regular Linux desktops, most of the distros use SystemD.
bee_rider 2y ago
It is a simple little startup system with some dedicated users. Open source projects don’t need huge user-counts to justify their existence. It isn’t a profit center, people just do this stuff for fun, because they enjoy tinkering, or maybe they coded it up and decided to just share it out of altruism.