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Any intelligence on the level of average human and for sure on the level above it will be able to learn. And learning means it will acquire new motivations, amo

by Yizahi 2y ago

Any intelligence on the level of average human and for sure on the level above it will be able to learn. And learning means it will acquire new motivations, among other things. Fixed motivation thing is simply a program, not AI. A very advanced program maybe, but ultimately just a scaled up version of the stuff we already have. AI will be different, if we will create it.

brigadier132 2y ago
> And learning means it will acquire new motivations This conclusion doesn't logically follow. > Fixed motivation thing is simply a program, not AI I don't agree with this definition. AI used to be just "could it solve the turing test". Anyway, something with non-fixed motivations is simply just not that useful for humans so why would we even create it? This is the problem with talking about AI, a lot of people have different definitions of what AI is. I don't think AI requires non-fixed motivations. LLMs are definitely a form of AI and they do not have any motivations for example.
- Yizahi 2y ago
  Disclaimer - I don't consider current LLMs as (I)ntelligent in the AI, so when I wrote AI in the comment above it was equivalent to the AGI/ASI as currently advertised by LLM corpos.
  - brigadier132 2y ago
    Consciousness, intelligence, and all these other properties can be and are mutually exclusive. What will be most useful for humans is a general intelligence that has no motivation for survival and no emotions and only cares about the goals of the human that is in control of it. I have not seen a convincing argument that a useful general intelligence must have goals that evolve beyond what the human gives it and must be conscious. What I have seen are assertions without evidence, "AI must be this way" but I'm not convinced. I can conceive of an LLM enhanced using other ML techniques that is capable of logical and spatial reasoning that is not conscious and I don't see why this would be impossible.

by Yizahi 2y ago

brigadier132 2y ago

> And learning means it will acquire new motivations This conclusion doesn't logically follow. > Fixed motivation thing is simply a program, not AI I don't agree with this definition. AI used to be just "could it solve the turing test". Anyway, something with non-fixed motivations is simply just not that useful for humans so why would we even create it? This is the problem with talking about AI, a lot of people have different definitions of what AI is. I don't think AI requires non-fixed motivations. LLMs are definitely a form of AI and they do not have any motivations for example.

Yizahi 2y ago
Disclaimer - I don't consider current LLMs as (I)ntelligent in the AI, so when I wrote AI in the comment above it was equivalent to the AGI/ASI as currently advertised by LLM corpos.
- brigadier132 2y ago
  Consciousness, intelligence, and all these other properties can be and are mutually exclusive. What will be most useful for humans is a general intelligence that has no motivation for survival and no emotions and only cares about the goals of the human that is in control of it. I have not seen a convincing argument that a useful general intelligence must have goals that evolve beyond what the human gives it and must be conscious. What I have seen are assertions without evidence, "AI must be this way" but I'm not convinced. I can conceive of an LLM enhanced using other ML techniques that is capable of logical and spatial reasoning that is not conscious and I don't see why this would be impossible.