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The DAT project is sadly no more, but author Paul Frazee is now one of the lead developers at Bluesky.

eternityforest 2y ago
It seems like it was so much better designed than IPFS, since it had a native concept of collections instead of trying to make every block independently accessible on the DHT.
- anacrolix 2y ago
  I'm glad others recognise this problem too.
- immibis 2y ago
  IPFS doesn't try to. Only top-level directories are added to the DHT. To fetch a child object, your node asks the same node it got the parent from.
  - eternityforest 2y ago
    Did they finally change that? Last I checked the default settings was to spew every block on the DHT unless you use roots mode, and to dump your entire list of wanted blocks to all 500 or so connected peers you often have, just in case maybe they have a block you want.
3np 2y ago
I thought Pear/Holepunch is the remaining spiritual successor from past Dat contributors? https://docs.pears.com/ https://docs.pears.com/ Last I checked much of their released stuff was still closed-source, not sure where they're at these days.
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  Could be, it's quite a while since I talked to Paul about it and we only discussed it briefly.
- tekknolagi 2y ago
  There's also Cabal.chat which works based on similar tech
- beefnugs 2y ago
  I ended up reading through this whole line of holepunch stuff, and as much as I love almost all of it in idea, spirit, quality of work, the only way to run in browser or mobile is an entire REMAKE of nodejs they call "bare" Sounds like a nightmare that would take forever. However all that gleam and bun and deno kind of makes it sound like its possible i guess. I get sad when great tech is never adopted. What is the equivalent of civil war in the tech world where people need to be pushed so hard to consider changing anything? Its like the full government crackdown on eliminating encryption has to happen before we even start trying p2p
  - mycall 2y ago
    p2p is alive and well in the form of netcode https://github.com/ThusSpokeNomad/GameNetworkingResources https://github.com/ThusSpokeNomad/GameNetworkingResources
  - anacrolix 2y ago
    You are spot on. We already have the technology. It's a bunch of idiots mucking around with stuff like IPFS. If there was a real need for it, P2P adoption would occur very quickly.

It seems like it was so much better designed than IPFS, since it had a native concept of collections instead of trying to make every block independently accessible on the DHT.

anacrolix 2y ago
I'm glad others recognise this problem too.
immibis 2y ago
IPFS doesn't try to. Only top-level directories are added to the DHT. To fetch a child object, your node asks the same node it got the parent from.
- eternityforest 2y ago
  Did they finally change that? Last I checked the default settings was to spew every block on the DHT unless you use roots mode, and to dump your entire list of wanted blocks to all 500 or so connected peers you often have, just in case maybe they have a block you want.

3np 2y ago

I thought Pear/Holepunch is the remaining spiritual successor from past Dat contributors? https://docs.pears.com/ https://docs.pears.com/ Last I checked much of their released stuff was still closed-source, not sure where they're at these days.

anigbrowl 2y ago
Could be, it's quite a while since I talked to Paul about it and we only discussed it briefly.
tekknolagi 2y ago
There's also Cabal.chat which works based on similar tech
beefnugs 2y ago
I ended up reading through this whole line of holepunch stuff, and as much as I love almost all of it in idea, spirit, quality of work, the only way to run in browser or mobile is an entire REMAKE of nodejs they call "bare" Sounds like a nightmare that would take forever. However all that gleam and bun and deno kind of makes it sound like its possible i guess. I get sad when great tech is never adopted. What is the equivalent of civil war in the tech world where people need to be pushed so hard to consider changing anything? Its like the full government crackdown on eliminating encryption has to happen before we even start trying p2p
- mycall 2y ago
  p2p is alive and well in the form of netcode https://github.com/ThusSpokeNomad/GameNetworkingResources https://github.com/ThusSpokeNomad/GameNetworkingResources
- anacrolix 2y ago
  You are spot on. We already have the technology. It's a bunch of idiots mucking around with stuff like IPFS. If there was a real need for it, P2P adoption would occur very quickly.