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The salmon are headed for extirpation in so many places if not extinction with climate change and measures like this dam removal are badly needed. If the salmon

The salmon are headed for extirpation in so many places if not extinction with climate change and measures like this dam removal are badly needed. If the salmon disappear we lose an entire ecology and so many more species that depend on them. Hope we see a lot more of this in the future.

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polski-g 2y ago
This is like saying climate change will lead to extinction of chickens. Salmons are factoty farmed and are an integral part of the food supply. They are not at risk of extinction.
- 486sx33 2y ago
  It would be much better if they were not factory farmed IMHO
  - pvaldes 2y ago
    > It would be much better if they were not factory farmed Our lives would we worse without eggs, soy, pork or tomatoes. Domestication of animals and plants gave us this. Either we start killing humans in mass, or we learn how to increase and improve our sources of food production. I prefer the second option. Fishes can feed more people than cattle with the same resources because (unlikely mammals or poultry), they don't need to spend part of its food to keep a high temperature constant, neither need (inedible) heavy bones to sustain its corpse. Therefore, they grow fast and have less discarded parts.
- pvaldes 2y ago
  I say this a lot here. 1) Our societies are obsessed by individuals. Individuals don't matter on ecology. Ecology Is mostly about energy transference. Each animal is just a small piece in the system. It does not matter that a machine still have 20 screws remaining. If it was designed to have two thousands screws, it needs those amount to not collapse. > Salmons are factory farmed and are an integral part of the food supply. They are not at risk of extinction. 2) A good example of what I would call pixellisation of ecology. Ecology is complex and we need to increase the grain in our pictures and models to show this complexity according. Salmon using this Californian river are not even in the same species as the domestic Atlantic salmon. 3) This fishes are critical for the survival of other species that are rare or endangered and to boost the nutrients available for trees also, so the system needs plenty of them. The californian vaquita (the most critically endangered cetacean in the world), could be affected by this move for example (salmons travel) and we will want to include this in our plans on advance.
- Tiktaalik 2y ago
  Pacific salmon are absolutely not factory farmed.

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polski-g 2y ago

This is like saying climate change will lead to extinction of chickens. Salmons are factoty farmed and are an integral part of the food supply. They are not at risk of extinction.

486sx33 2y ago
It would be much better if they were not factory farmed IMHO
- pvaldes 2y ago
  > It would be much better if they were not factory farmed Our lives would we worse without eggs, soy, pork or tomatoes. Domestication of animals and plants gave us this. Either we start killing humans in mass, or we learn how to increase and improve our sources of food production. I prefer the second option. Fishes can feed more people than cattle with the same resources because (unlikely mammals or poultry), they don't need to spend part of its food to keep a high temperature constant, neither need (inedible) heavy bones to sustain its corpse. Therefore, they grow fast and have less discarded parts.
pvaldes 2y ago
I say this a lot here. 1) Our societies are obsessed by individuals. Individuals don't matter on ecology. Ecology Is mostly about energy transference. Each animal is just a small piece in the system. It does not matter that a machine still have 20 screws remaining. If it was designed to have two thousands screws, it needs those amount to not collapse. > Salmons are factory farmed and are an integral part of the food supply. They are not at risk of extinction. 2) A good example of what I would call pixellisation of ecology. Ecology is complex and we need to increase the grain in our pictures and models to show this complexity according. Salmon using this Californian river are not even in the same species as the domestic Atlantic salmon. 3) This fishes are critical for the survival of other species that are rare or endangered and to boost the nutrients available for trees also, so the system needs plenty of them. The californian vaquita (the most critically endangered cetacean in the world), could be affected by this move for example (salmons travel) and we will want to include this in our plans on advance.
Tiktaalik 2y ago
Pacific salmon are absolutely not factory farmed.