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Here ya go: https://archive.org/details/super-mario-bros.-wonder-nspe-shop https://archive.org/details/super-mario-bros.-wonder-nspe-sh... Note to dang and fr

Here ya go: https://archive.org/details/super-mario-bros.-wonder-nspe-shop https://archive.org/details/super-mario-bros.-wonder-nspe-sh... Note to dang and friends: Not condoning piracy or whatever, this is simply to prove a point that Internet Archive hosts and distributes warez with wanton abandon.

jrflowers 2y ago
I’m kind of curious how this indicates “wanton abandon” Have you downloaded and checked this file to make sure that it is a playable copy of Super Mario Wonder rather than some other file labeled as such? Have you reported it, and if so how long ago?
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  All you have to do to find warez of all sorts is take a casual browse through their software library. Most of it is actually supplied by ordinary users unrelated to Internet Archive with little to no oversight or curation. I have no idea how effective reporting is, but I would bet it's not meaningful given the prevailing prevalence of warez. And yes, I've downloaded some of those warez and they have all worked. I would advise not white knighting for Internet Archive and instead judge them for what they actually are. I honestly think the software library is actually a far bigger liability risk than the book piracy scheme. Software developers and publishers are just as vindicative as book authors and publishers if you paint a big enough target on your stupid ass and there's a lot more dollars at play.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - jrflowers 2y ago
    Did you verify or report the link to what you claim is a working and playable copy of Super Mario Wonder for Nintendo Switch that you posted here as proof that IA “wantonly distributes warez”?
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      Here you go, 500GB of warez in just one link: https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp But wait, there's more!: https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part2 https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part2 And more!: https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part3 https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part3 and https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part4 https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part4 2TB of warez in just four links. But that was way too easy, I just listed 2TB of mostly Japanese eroge. What about more mainstream stuff? Presenting the PS1 release of Castlevania - Symphony of the Night, and in fact you can only play it on Internet Archive in the browser: https://archive.org/details/psx_sotn https://archive.org/details/psx_sotn And there's a lot more PS1 games where that came from: https://archive.org/details/psxgames https://archive.org/details/psxgames You can also enjoy a collection of Game Boy Advance games, nevermind that Nintendo is really draconian about ROMs right?: https://archive.org/details/gba_rpg_pack https://archive.org/details/gba_rpg_pack But I've only linked to games so far, how about something proper adults would use? Here's Photoshop CS8 and it even comes with a keygen!: https://archive.org/details/photoshop-cs-8 https://archive.org/details/photoshop-cs-8. Actually, you know what? Just going through the latest uploads also proves my point: https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype:software&sort=-publicdate https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype:software&sort=-pu... The moral of this digression is this: Internet Archive engages in wanton distribution of warez. And once again a note to dang and friends: Not condoning piracy, these links are to prove a point.
      - jrflowers 2y ago
        Have you verified or reported _ANY_ of the links you’ve posted here as proof of “hosting warez with wanton abandon”? It is clear that you have some sort of motivation and knowledge about how to navigate the IA to find what you believe to be infringing content — why are you using it to post links to it on this website rather than reporting it? The only thing that you have proven is that the IA accepts user uploads. That is it, end of proof. The only party possibly acting irresponsibly here is the user distributing links to what is claimed to be infringing content and not answering a simple question about reporting or verification. “Watch me distribute what I claim to be ‘warez’ using a neutral file upload service that I will not answer questions about reporting or verification about! My going out of my way to make this available to you is not the issue, this evil host is the problem for existing!” belies either a deep misunderstanding of how the internet works (also kind of indicated by repeatedly using the word ‘warez’ in 2024) as a whole at best or a weird bad faith attack (also kind of indicated by accusing a stranger of “white knighting” for asking if you verified or reported your link to Super Mario Wonder) at worst. So I am a bit confused as to what is going on here
jquery 2y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=Super+Mario+Bros.+Wonder+%28NSP%29 https://www.google.com/search?q=Super+Mario+Bros.+Wonder+%28... Second link on the page. How is this warez distributor still online?
protocolture 2y ago
Are you telling me... that an archive has... archived something? Calling the cops right now!
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Internet Archive is engaging in redistribution with flagrant disregard for the law, so it is not an archive despite what it says on the tin. Note that preservation and redistribution are two very different things, there are very specific limitations to redistributing something you don't have explicit licensing or permissions for. Further reading: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/108 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/108
  - protocolture 2y ago
    >flagrant disregard for the law The law should be disregarded. Its stupid.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
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- tombert 2y ago
  Public and University libraries are also archives, but they follow strict guidelines to stay within the bounds of copyright law and fair use. There are limitations on how you can view the archived copyrighted material, limitations on how you can do so, etc. No one is claiming that "archives" are a bad thing, at least not that I've seen. What I'm complaining about with IA specifically is that they're basically taking the MegaUpload approach of pretending that flagrant disregard for copyright law is totally fine, and then hiding behind vague data harboring laws and shouting "We're an archive so it's fine!!!!". Depending on how far you want to go, you can say that ThePirateBay or LimeTorrents is also an archive, but most people don't dispute that those sites are piracy. If IA broke copyright law only in regards to something like AbandonWare, I wouldn't really be complaining, because that is something that should be archived and if it's truly abandonware then you're not even eating into potential profits, but that's not what's happening. Even the act of archiving copyrighted material that's still for sale is fine, but they should be operating within the bounds of the typical library archiving standards, which I don't think that they're doing. As I said, if I'm aware of how easy it is to get pirated material on IA, then I'm quite confident that their staff is too.

jrflowers 2y ago

I’m kind of curious how this indicates “wanton abandon” Have you downloaded and checked this file to make sure that it is a playable copy of Super Mario Wonder rather than some other file labeled as such? Have you reported it, and if so how long ago?

Dalewyn 2y ago
All you have to do to find warez of all sorts is take a casual browse through their software library. Most of it is actually supplied by ordinary users unrelated to Internet Archive with little to no oversight or curation. I have no idea how effective reporting is, but I would bet it's not meaningful given the prevailing prevalence of warez. And yes, I've downloaded some of those warez and they have all worked. I would advise not white knighting for Internet Archive and instead judge them for what they actually are. I honestly think the software library is actually a far bigger liability risk than the book piracy scheme. Software developers and publishers are just as vindicative as book authors and publishers if you paint a big enough target on your stupid ass and there's a lot more dollars at play.
- deleted 2y ago
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- jrflowers 2y ago
  Did you verify or report the link to what you claim is a working and playable copy of Super Mario Wonder for Nintendo Switch that you posted here as proof that IA “wantonly distributes warez”?
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    Here you go, 500GB of warez in just one link: https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp But wait, there's more!: https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part2 https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part2 And more!: https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part3 https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part3 and https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part4 https://archive.org/details/pcgames-jp-part4 2TB of warez in just four links. But that was way too easy, I just listed 2TB of mostly Japanese eroge. What about more mainstream stuff? Presenting the PS1 release of Castlevania - Symphony of the Night, and in fact you can only play it on Internet Archive in the browser: https://archive.org/details/psx_sotn https://archive.org/details/psx_sotn And there's a lot more PS1 games where that came from: https://archive.org/details/psxgames https://archive.org/details/psxgames You can also enjoy a collection of Game Boy Advance games, nevermind that Nintendo is really draconian about ROMs right?: https://archive.org/details/gba_rpg_pack https://archive.org/details/gba_rpg_pack But I've only linked to games so far, how about something proper adults would use? Here's Photoshop CS8 and it even comes with a keygen!: https://archive.org/details/photoshop-cs-8 https://archive.org/details/photoshop-cs-8. Actually, you know what? Just going through the latest uploads also proves my point: https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype:software&sort=-publicdate https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype:software&sort=-pu... The moral of this digression is this: Internet Archive engages in wanton distribution of warez. And once again a note to dang and friends: Not condoning piracy, these links are to prove a point.
    - jrflowers 2y ago
      Have you verified or reported _ANY_ of the links you’ve posted here as proof of “hosting warez with wanton abandon”? It is clear that you have some sort of motivation and knowledge about how to navigate the IA to find what you believe to be infringing content — why are you using it to post links to it on this website rather than reporting it? The only thing that you have proven is that the IA accepts user uploads. That is it, end of proof. The only party possibly acting irresponsibly here is the user distributing links to what is claimed to be infringing content and not answering a simple question about reporting or verification. “Watch me distribute what I claim to be ‘warez’ using a neutral file upload service that I will not answer questions about reporting or verification about! My going out of my way to make this available to you is not the issue, this evil host is the problem for existing!” belies either a deep misunderstanding of how the internet works (also kind of indicated by repeatedly using the word ‘warez’ in 2024) as a whole at best or a weird bad faith attack (also kind of indicated by accusing a stranger of “white knighting” for asking if you verified or reported your link to Super Mario Wonder) at worst. So I am a bit confused as to what is going on here

jquery 2y ago

https://www.google.com/search?q=Super+Mario+Bros.+Wonder+%28NSP%29 https://www.google.com/search?q=Super+Mario+Bros.+Wonder+%28... Second link on the page. How is this warez distributor still online?

protocolture 2y ago

Are you telling me... that an archive has... archived something? Calling the cops right now!

Dalewyn 2y ago
Internet Archive is engaging in redistribution with flagrant disregard for the law, so it is not an archive despite what it says on the tin. Note that preservation and redistribution are two very different things, there are very specific limitations to redistributing something you don't have explicit licensing or permissions for. Further reading: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/108 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/108
- protocolture 2y ago
  >flagrant disregard for the law The law should be disregarded. Its stupid.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    [flagged]
tombert 2y ago
Public and University libraries are also archives, but they follow strict guidelines to stay within the bounds of copyright law and fair use. There are limitations on how you can view the archived copyrighted material, limitations on how you can do so, etc. No one is claiming that "archives" are a bad thing, at least not that I've seen. What I'm complaining about with IA specifically is that they're basically taking the MegaUpload approach of pretending that flagrant disregard for copyright law is totally fine, and then hiding behind vague data harboring laws and shouting "We're an archive so it's fine!!!!". Depending on how far you want to go, you can say that ThePirateBay or LimeTorrents is also an archive, but most people don't dispute that those sites are piracy. If IA broke copyright law only in regards to something like AbandonWare, I wouldn't really be complaining, because that is something that should be archived and if it's truly abandonware then you're not even eating into potential profits, but that's not what's happening. Even the act of archiving copyrighted material that's still for sale is fine, but they should be operating within the bounds of the typical library archiving standards, which I don't think that they're doing. As I said, if I'm aware of how easy it is to get pirated material on IA, then I'm quite confident that their staff is too.