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"extending kindness" is a cousin of corruption. I think slack as well as rules can be systematically introduced to the system. Software lowers the cost to supp

by itake 2y ago

"extending kindness" is a cousin of corruption. I think slack as well as rules can be systematically introduced to the system. Software lowers the cost to support "slack rules" (1 ride is free per year per human face).

arp242 2y ago
This is ridiculously complex, and thinking you can encode every possible eventuality in law or code is frankly not a serious suggestion. You need the "slack" exactly because it's just not feasible to do so. (Also: so many things can go wrong with your "facial detection" suggestion: internet not working, error in facial detection, broken equipment – never mind the privacy implications, or the cost of building and maintaining all of this, which would certainly be far far higher than any corruption, and still won't actually prevent corruption because drivers could still just let their mates pass without paying). And yes, giving people autonomy also means they can do bad things. And that's something we can live with, and it's far better than forbidding them from doing good things. Your distrust of people borders on the misanthropic.
- portpecos 2y ago
  >This is ridiculously complex, and thinking you can encode every possible eventuality in law or code is frankly not a serious suggestion. This actually sounds interesting and I would be down to help pull off such a Herculean task.
  - auggierose 2y ago
    I think the point is that this is neither possible, nor is it sensible. Machine systems supervising humans is not human, it is Skynet.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    I mean yes, it'd be a safe job to have for decades. You could get paid literally doing nothing. But also no, this is lunacy. Not only 'itake would like to strip people of their autonomy, they'd also like to strip them from their capacity to do good? That's wishing us a fate worse than death. Not that it's possible in practice anyway. It's a AGI-complete problem, and any lesser attempts are... well wake me up when any software system implements exceptions and slack around their rigid rules.
4ndrewl 2y ago
To truly disrupt the outdated notion of 'kindness' and to introduce the sorts of efficiencies only a market can deliver you really need VC-funded Kindness As A Service. Ideally with some LLM tech (though I'm old enough to remember when Blockchain would have solved this problem) /s

by itake 2y ago

arp242 2y ago

This is ridiculously complex, and thinking you can encode every possible eventuality in law or code is frankly not a serious suggestion. You need the "slack" exactly because it's just not feasible to do so. (Also: so many things can go wrong with your "facial detection" suggestion: internet not working, error in facial detection, broken equipment – never mind the privacy implications, or the cost of building and maintaining all of this, which would certainly be far far higher than any corruption, and still won't actually prevent corruption because drivers could still just let their mates pass without paying). And yes, giving people autonomy also means they can do bad things. And that's something we can live with, and it's far better than forbidding them from doing good things. Your distrust of people borders on the misanthropic.

portpecos 2y ago
>This is ridiculously complex, and thinking you can encode every possible eventuality in law or code is frankly not a serious suggestion. This actually sounds interesting and I would be down to help pull off such a Herculean task.
- auggierose 2y ago
  I think the point is that this is neither possible, nor is it sensible. Machine systems supervising humans is not human, it is Skynet.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  I mean yes, it'd be a safe job to have for decades. You could get paid literally doing nothing. But also no, this is lunacy. Not only 'itake would like to strip people of their autonomy, they'd also like to strip them from their capacity to do good? That's wishing us a fate worse than death. Not that it's possible in practice anyway. It's a AGI-complete problem, and any lesser attempts are... well wake me up when any software system implements exceptions and slack around their rigid rules.

4ndrewl 2y ago

To truly disrupt the outdated notion of 'kindness' and to introduce the sorts of efficiencies only a market can deliver you really need VC-funded Kindness As A Service. Ideally with some LLM tech (though I'm old enough to remember when Blockchain would have solved this problem) /s