"I understand there are people who really need it in some countries, but in this country, we're subject to the rule of law, and if you're doing nothing wrong, y

"I understand there are people who really need it in some countries, but in this country, we're subject to the rule of law, and if you're doing nothing wrong, you've got privacy because no one's looking at it," "If there are suspicions, or we've got proof that we can justify you're doing something wrong and you must be investigated, then actually we want lawful access to that data."