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Florida and Texas are among the fastest growing states in the country, whereas California is losing population.

scarface_74 2y ago
And how many of the traditional demographics of tech workers do you think want to move to Florida? It is currently my home state and I work remotely. But I’m older. I would never want to live here if my wife were younger or I thought there was any chance we wanted to become pregnant.
- decafninja 2y ago
  I don’t know, Miami is pretty nice. The only reason I wouldn’t consider living in Miami is that if I ever got laid off, the tech job ecosystem is poor at best. It’s not perfect but neither is SFBA, NYC, or Seattle.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Until you have to pay the skyrocketing insurance costs. I am not blaming the government for that. It’s just life when you live in an area with frequent hurricanes
- p1esk 2y ago
  After many years in CA I love it in Florida. Palm Beach or Boca Raton are very nice, schools are excellent, weather is perfect 7 months out of 12. And houses are significantly cheaper than in equivalent areas in CA. Less woke culture too.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    7/12 is 58% is an F.
- kortilla 2y ago
  Why would you have difficulty becoming pregnant in Florida?
  - acdha 2y ago
    That’s mostly not the problem: it’s what happens if it goes wrong in ways which are guaranteed to happen for a certain percentage of women every year, and you’re no longer allowed to get medical treatment because some failed Christians couldn’t be bothered to read their own holy book (the Old Testament god is down with abortion, the New Testament one isn’t concerned with it). There are more children who used to have mothers until an attempt at a sibling went wrong than there used to be, and that’s simply shameful. This has ripple effects: it’s not just women suffering permanent injuries or death but also growing problems in many red states with doctors leaving to avoid the high likelihood of being charged for exercising what is standard medical judgement in the free world. Even getting pregnant is at risk for couples who need to use IVF. Those attempts can go wrong which are easily resolved if you can get medical care which is increasingly under legal threat. IVF patients tend to be richer and whiter so the GOP is trying to carve out exceptions but that’s far from a given and you’ll still have a nightmare if you get the wrong DA.
    - kortilla 2y ago
      Travel to an adjacent state if you need an abortion. If you don’t have the funds to do that you aren’t smartly planning a family in the first place.
      - acdha 2y ago
        Traveling to an adjacent state isn’t something you can do in an emergency. It’s not something you can easily do if you have family commitments, as growing families often do. It’s not going to help you if you have trouble finding a doctor because they’re leaving a state which is looking for excuses to attack their medical judgement. It’s not something you can easily do if you have a relationship which turns bad and the make partner is opposed because he sees the permanent anchor of a potential birth. Yes, there are ways that people can cope with that but just because it’s possible doesn’t mean people won’t try to avoid being in a bad situation in the first place, as was the topic of this thread.
astrange 2y ago
The population increasing in a state is mostly about age structure of the country, not people deciding to move there. California's low growth and Florida's high growth are because Americans are getting older, retiring, and not having children.
- murderfs 2y ago
  This is absolutely false, to the point where there's literally a wikipedia article about net migration out of California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_exodus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_exodus
  - astrange 2y ago
    Net migration is not the same thing as population change. You can have net out-migration and population growth because people have children. > as well as comparatively high tax levels and a complex regulatory environment for businesses.[8] Texas is the leading destination of California's former residents Texas has higher tax levels than California because property taxes are higher. People are leaving pretty much entirely because of housing costs because California refuses to build anything.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  California having negative growth is a result of immigration curtailment from COVID; as immigration numbers have recovered, California’s population loss rate as dropped from the 0.91% pandemic peak to 0.19% in 2023. For a long time before the pandemic California has had high internal outmigration mostly at lower income levels, nearly offset by internal inmigration mostly at higher income levels, with net growth because of international migration.
DiscourseFan 2y ago
Florida will be underwater immanently, in Texas abortion is illegal. I'd call it a "bubble," for lack of a better term.
- kortilla 2y ago
  Whatever you want to call it, people want to live there.
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    They want a well-paying job or a better community or better schools. Nobody "wants" to move to a state just because its that state. Long term political and ecological trends won't deter short term gains for many, that's all.
    - kortilla 2y ago
      Okay, nobody “wants” to live in California either by that logic.
      - DiscourseFan 2y ago
        Well, there are a few...but most people I know who've moved to California recently only did so for work.
- nunez 2y ago
  Texas politics is temporary IMO. Tides will turn eventually.
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    History is not some abstract concept that moves with as much regularity as the moon around the ocean. It takes people to change laws.
    - 2y ago

And how many of the traditional demographics of tech workers do you think want to move to Florida? It is currently my home state and I work remotely. But I’m older. I would never want to live here if my wife were younger or I thought there was any chance we wanted to become pregnant.

decafninja 2y ago
I don’t know, Miami is pretty nice. The only reason I wouldn’t consider living in Miami is that if I ever got laid off, the tech job ecosystem is poor at best. It’s not perfect but neither is SFBA, NYC, or Seattle.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Until you have to pay the skyrocketing insurance costs. I am not blaming the government for that. It’s just life when you live in an area with frequent hurricanes
p1esk 2y ago
After many years in CA I love it in Florida. Palm Beach or Boca Raton are very nice, schools are excellent, weather is perfect 7 months out of 12. And houses are significantly cheaper than in equivalent areas in CA. Less woke culture too.
- fragmede 2y ago
  7/12 is 58% is an F.
kortilla 2y ago
Why would you have difficulty becoming pregnant in Florida?
- acdha 2y ago
  That’s mostly not the problem: it’s what happens if it goes wrong in ways which are guaranteed to happen for a certain percentage of women every year, and you’re no longer allowed to get medical treatment because some failed Christians couldn’t be bothered to read their own holy book (the Old Testament god is down with abortion, the New Testament one isn’t concerned with it). There are more children who used to have mothers until an attempt at a sibling went wrong than there used to be, and that’s simply shameful. This has ripple effects: it’s not just women suffering permanent injuries or death but also growing problems in many red states with doctors leaving to avoid the high likelihood of being charged for exercising what is standard medical judgement in the free world. Even getting pregnant is at risk for couples who need to use IVF. Those attempts can go wrong which are easily resolved if you can get medical care which is increasingly under legal threat. IVF patients tend to be richer and whiter so the GOP is trying to carve out exceptions but that’s far from a given and you’ll still have a nightmare if you get the wrong DA.
  - kortilla 2y ago
    Travel to an adjacent state if you need an abortion. If you don’t have the funds to do that you aren’t smartly planning a family in the first place.
    - acdha 2y ago
      Traveling to an adjacent state isn’t something you can do in an emergency. It’s not something you can easily do if you have family commitments, as growing families often do. It’s not going to help you if you have trouble finding a doctor because they’re leaving a state which is looking for excuses to attack their medical judgement. It’s not something you can easily do if you have a relationship which turns bad and the make partner is opposed because he sees the permanent anchor of a potential birth. Yes, there are ways that people can cope with that but just because it’s possible doesn’t mean people won’t try to avoid being in a bad situation in the first place, as was the topic of this thread.

astrange 2y ago

The population increasing in a state is mostly about age structure of the country, not people deciding to move there. California's low growth and Florida's high growth are because Americans are getting older, retiring, and not having children.

murderfs 2y ago
This is absolutely false, to the point where there's literally a wikipedia article about net migration out of California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_exodus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_exodus
- astrange 2y ago
  Net migration is not the same thing as population change. You can have net out-migration and population growth because people have children. > as well as comparatively high tax levels and a complex regulatory environment for businesses.[8] Texas is the leading destination of California's former residents Texas has higher tax levels than California because property taxes are higher. People are leaving pretty much entirely because of housing costs because California refuses to build anything.
dragonwriter 2y ago
California having negative growth is a result of immigration curtailment from COVID; as immigration numbers have recovered, California’s population loss rate as dropped from the 0.91% pandemic peak to 0.19% in 2023. For a long time before the pandemic California has had high internal outmigration mostly at lower income levels, nearly offset by internal inmigration mostly at higher income levels, with net growth because of international migration.

DiscourseFan 2y ago

Florida will be underwater immanently, in Texas abortion is illegal. I'd call it a "bubble," for lack of a better term.

kortilla 2y ago
Whatever you want to call it, people want to live there.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  They want a well-paying job or a better community or better schools. Nobody "wants" to move to a state just because its that state. Long term political and ecological trends won't deter short term gains for many, that's all.
  - kortilla 2y ago
    Okay, nobody “wants” to live in California either by that logic.
    - DiscourseFan 2y ago
      Well, there are a few...but most people I know who've moved to California recently only did so for work.
nunez 2y ago
Texas politics is temporary IMO. Tides will turn eventually.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  History is not some abstract concept that moves with as much regularity as the moon around the ocean. It takes people to change laws.
  - 2y ago