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Oh god, this really does capture my problem. My university demands 40 page reports that are never read by anyone, so my seniors used ChatGPT to generate the nee

Oh god, this really does capture my problem. My university demands 40 page reports that are never read by anyone, so my seniors used ChatGPT to generate the needed drivel needed, so now we have the ai detectors, and are told that the % of AI content as flagged by a tool (turnitin) must be below 10%. Unfortunately, the way I write, (like any well educated Indian) is a rather verbose, formal and rather florid in it's manner, and with no fewer than 3 conjuctives (when I don't want the reader to understand what I just wrote) per sentence. This style is for good or bad understood by turnitin as being AI generated. So, I have had to unfortunately simplify and write in a more stilted manner, just to be able to submit my assignment.

Frenchgeek 2y ago
Train ChatGPT to avoid being flagged by turnitin? (Then write a paper on it in a way designed to trip said AI detector)
- samarthr1 2y ago
  Been there, tried that. It only sorta worked, but failed basis m basic "formalism" tests. So could not be directly used. The writing style and vocabulary expected by Indian universities is a style of English that has not been used in England for 80 or so years. It is uniquely frozen in time, florid, and all together horrid. (I had to make it rhyme, sorry)
greiskul 2y ago
> when I don't want the reader to understand what I just wrote Unless you are writing poetry or art (where ocasionally this makes sense, to avoid censorship for instance, or to make a point), that's just bad writing. Should you get penalized for plagiarism? No. Should you get bad grades for writing like this? Probably yes.
- samarthr1 2y ago
  It only matters when someone actually reads it no? If a tree falls and nobody heard it, did it actually fall? Also relevant, this is for my final year engineering project, not a writing course. The report that I write is not even read by those who grade my project, rather, the page count is checked, and a small amount of sanity-check-reading to make sure I have not just filled the pages with cinema songs is done. My grade is decided by my relationship with the panel, nothing else, not the quality of work done, not the idea, not the deliverables shown. I am absolutely sick and tired of this. I just wanted to do a good job, and write good code, but no, that does not move the needle one bit with our panel of reviewers. (Pardon my rant, but I really did want to do a great job with my project, but my university did not want to reward it) At any rate, I can get into a whole rant about incompetent lecturers at many Indian universities, but that is way off topic.
anigbrowl 2y ago
There will eventually be a great lawsuit from people have been disenfranchised by these BS 'AI checkers'. Someone will sit down in court and write essays from scratch on a random topic, which will be flagged as AI-generated, leading to general mockery and the diminution of the stock toward zero.

Frenchgeek 2y ago

Train ChatGPT to avoid being flagged by turnitin? (Then write a paper on it in a way designed to trip said AI detector)

samarthr1 2y ago
Been there, tried that. It only sorta worked, but failed basis m basic "formalism" tests. So could not be directly used. The writing style and vocabulary expected by Indian universities is a style of English that has not been used in England for 80 or so years. It is uniquely frozen in time, florid, and all together horrid. (I had to make it rhyme, sorry)

greiskul 2y ago

> when I don't want the reader to understand what I just wrote Unless you are writing poetry or art (where ocasionally this makes sense, to avoid censorship for instance, or to make a point), that's just bad writing. Should you get penalized for plagiarism? No. Should you get bad grades for writing like this? Probably yes.

samarthr1 2y ago
It only matters when someone actually reads it no? If a tree falls and nobody heard it, did it actually fall? Also relevant, this is for my final year engineering project, not a writing course. The report that I write is not even read by those who grade my project, rather, the page count is checked, and a small amount of sanity-check-reading to make sure I have not just filled the pages with cinema songs is done. My grade is decided by my relationship with the panel, nothing else, not the quality of work done, not the idea, not the deliverables shown. I am absolutely sick and tired of this. I just wanted to do a good job, and write good code, but no, that does not move the needle one bit with our panel of reviewers. (Pardon my rant, but I really did want to do a great job with my project, but my university did not want to reward it) At any rate, I can get into a whole rant about incompetent lecturers at many Indian universities, but that is way off topic.

anigbrowl 2y ago

There will eventually be a great lawsuit from people have been disenfranchised by these BS 'AI checkers'. Someone will sit down in court and write essays from scratch on a random topic, which will be flagged as AI-generated, leading to general mockery and the diminution of the stock toward zero.