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As a casual Rust user, I feel it’s a bit ridiculous to think something could outdo Linux only by choice of programming language. Is that the “nontechnical nonse

As a casual Rust user, I feel it’s a bit ridiculous to think something could outdo Linux only by choice of programming language. Is that the “nontechnical nonsense” here?

3836293648 2y ago
No, bullying is
- hgaskj 2y ago
  The quote from T'so in the article is hardly bullying. I found it telling that this was presented as evidence of hostility. Predictably, the Rust people play the victims while they are the ones who are asking something from all other kernel developers.
  - PointyFluff 2y ago
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  - bfrog 2y ago
    "Trying to get everyone to switch over to the religion..." Yeah I mean I don't see how you don't hear this person talking and not think they are disdainful and dismissive. In other news, Redox continues to improve and an amazing pace. May the best kernel win.
    - astrange 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox_(operating_system) > Ralloc – memory allocator > RedoxFS (file system) – inspired by the ZFS file system It doesn't seem necessary to write either one of these if you just want a Rust kernel. For one thing, secure malloc replacements are not very useful because the main customer that needs them, web browsers, will ignore yours because it's "too slow" and continue using their own. (Also, unless you're testing on an MTE/CHERI system your assumptions about what makes one secure are probably incorrect.)
      - klingoff 2y ago
        Google and a bunch of bounties worry about the security of malloc for their browser, some intern worries about the security of the enterprise server.
        astrange 2y ago
        I'd recommend reusing the one in the browser then.
      - steveklabnik 2y ago
        > if you just want a Rust kernel. The point of this work isn't "just a kernel in Rust." The point is to help the millions/billions/zillions of Linux deployments get better. A different kernel is a different goal.

As a casual Rust user, I feel it’s a bit ridiculous to think something could outdo Linux only by choice of programming language. Is that the “nontechnical nonsense” here?

3836293648 2y ago

No, bullying is

hgaskj 2y ago
The quote from T'so in the article is hardly bullying. I found it telling that this was presented as evidence of hostility. Predictably, the Rust people play the victims while they are the ones who are asking something from all other kernel developers.
- PointyFluff 2y ago
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- bfrog 2y ago
  "Trying to get everyone to switch over to the religion..." Yeah I mean I don't see how you don't hear this person talking and not think they are disdainful and dismissive. In other news, Redox continues to improve and an amazing pace. May the best kernel win.
  - astrange 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox_(operating_system) > Ralloc – memory allocator > RedoxFS (file system) – inspired by the ZFS file system It doesn't seem necessary to write either one of these if you just want a Rust kernel. For one thing, secure malloc replacements are not very useful because the main customer that needs them, web browsers, will ignore yours because it's "too slow" and continue using their own. (Also, unless you're testing on an MTE/CHERI system your assumptions about what makes one secure are probably incorrect.)
    - klingoff 2y ago
      Google and a bunch of bounties worry about the security of malloc for their browser, some intern worries about the security of the enterprise server.
      - astrange 2y ago
        I'd recommend reusing the one in the browser then.
    - steveklabnik 2y ago
      > if you just want a Rust kernel. The point of this work isn't "just a kernel in Rust." The point is to help the millions/billions/zillions of Linux deployments get better. A different kernel is a different goal.