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Linux is not preinstalled. There are some ThinkPads* and Dells with Ubuntu or Fedora but you need to know that. And people how know will and must reinstall any

Linux is not preinstalled. There are some ThinkPads* and Dells with Ubuntu or Fedora but you need to know that. And people how know will and must reinstall anyway Arch, Gentoo, Suse, Debian, Fedora or Ubuntu. The Steamdeck is an excellent proof how a full featured Linux (SteamOS is based upon Arch) is shipped well. Not a unmaintained or googlyified closed-source derivate of Linux (Android and ChromeOS). * I ordered an X13 Gen1 AMD with Linux for fun. Worked well, installation was clean. No 120$ for Microsoft and its stock owners. You shall not feed the bad guys. Especially when you will never use Windows.

ho_schi 2y ago
Correction: ThinkPad X13 *Gen3* AMD
Wytwwww 2y ago
Steamdeck is a gaming console not a general purpose device from the perspective of most people (yes I know it's a standard PC and completely open but that's not something most people care about). Linux is more or less just an implementation detail. Obviously not as extreme but a bit like PS4 being BSD but I don't think it's that different from Android/ChromeOS. Arch is there just to run a completely proprietary layer which is the only thing most people who use it interact with >90% of the time.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Additionally, to note that while PlayStation, Switch, Android/NDK, have some form of POSIX support, in some cases with overlapping 3D APIs with GNU/Linux, most of the studios don't bother with GNU/Linux, and rather let Valve do the work with Proton on supporting the execution of their Windows versions.
pjmlp 2y ago
SteamDeck is only a successful by making Linux irrelevant, after all its key feature is doing Windows API translation. SteamOS only purpose is for Valve not to pay Windows licenses. I will consider SteamDeck a success, in games not sales, the day all top level games played on it, were actually developed for SteamOS in first place, and not Windows games running under Proton.
- ho_schi 2y ago
  > I will consider SteamDeck a success, in games not sales, the day all top level games played on it, were actually developed for SteamOS in first place, and not Windows games running under Proton. Yep. Removing unnecessary API-Layers, a lot issues and lifting the maintenance burden from Valve. I play only games with native ports e.g. Counter-Strike 2, Unrailed[1], OpenRA. I still wonder why Valve doesn't feature Steam Awards for the best native Linux ports, separated for indie games and triple A games. Combined with reduced fees for successful participants. Would allow Valve to focus solely on Linux. Stop harming Linux by directing money to games which don't support Linux. [1] Kids? Guests? A party? Play it. It is Mario-Kart ported to the 21 Century. Best with gamepads.

ho_schi 2y ago

Correction: ThinkPad X13 *Gen3* AMD

Wytwwww 2y ago

Steamdeck is a gaming console not a general purpose device from the perspective of most people (yes I know it's a standard PC and completely open but that's not something most people care about). Linux is more or less just an implementation detail. Obviously not as extreme but a bit like PS4 being BSD but I don't think it's that different from Android/ChromeOS. Arch is there just to run a completely proprietary layer which is the only thing most people who use it interact with >90% of the time.

pjmlp 2y ago
Additionally, to note that while PlayStation, Switch, Android/NDK, have some form of POSIX support, in some cases with overlapping 3D APIs with GNU/Linux, most of the studios don't bother with GNU/Linux, and rather let Valve do the work with Proton on supporting the execution of their Windows versions.

pjmlp 2y ago

SteamDeck is only a successful by making Linux irrelevant, after all its key feature is doing Windows API translation. SteamOS only purpose is for Valve not to pay Windows licenses. I will consider SteamDeck a success, in games not sales, the day all top level games played on it, were actually developed for SteamOS in first place, and not Windows games running under Proton.

ho_schi 2y ago
> I will consider SteamDeck a success, in games not sales, the day all top level games played on it, were actually developed for SteamOS in first place, and not Windows games running under Proton. Yep. Removing unnecessary API-Layers, a lot issues and lifting the maintenance burden from Valve. I play only games with native ports e.g. Counter-Strike 2, Unrailed[1], OpenRA. I still wonder why Valve doesn't feature Steam Awards for the best native Linux ports, separated for indie games and triple A games. Combined with reduced fees for successful participants. Would allow Valve to focus solely on Linux. Stop harming Linux by directing money to games which don't support Linux. [1] Kids? Guests? A party? Play it. It is Mario-Kart ported to the 21 Century. Best with gamepads.