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Very cool. I do believe physical embodiment of computers is the future and the current screen/GUI paradigm will decline, but the embodiment will be different. T

Very cool. I do believe physical embodiment of computers is the future and the current screen/GUI paradigm will decline, but the embodiment will be different. The physically embodied computer of the future will be a humanoid robot, and we will interact with it the same way we do with humans: by gesturing and speaking. There will always be a place for screens, just as there is still a place for books, but we will have less reason to use them when we can accomplish what we want to do in more natural collaboration with physically embodied computers in the form of humanoid robots, alongside other humans.

shortrounddev2 2y ago
I feel that mobile screens and AR are going to be the future
- modeless 2y ago
  Mobile screens are the present, in the form of phones. Unfortunately there are fundamental physics problems that make AR too limited and too cumbersome to entirely replace screens for the foreseeable future. I highly recommend Karl Guttag's blog to learn about the problems that will hold back AR for a long, long time: https://kguttag.com/2023/06/03/slides-from-presentation-at-awe-2023-on-optical-versus-passthrough-mr/ https://kguttag.com/2023/06/03/slides-from-presentation-at-a...
  - shortrounddev2 2y ago
    Yes, I think that mobile screens will continue to be our present, but in the future! I think that touch screens are the preferred medium for computation for technology users who started using computers regularly for personal use after c. 2011. Personally, I hate the things but I can see that for people who are not technical users, the mobile phone is a natural way to compute. I know of many people who don't even own a laptop or desktop; they just use their phone for all computation
    - carlosneves 2y ago
      One of the long-standing critiques I've heard from Alan Kay I think is that smartphone users can't use smartphones to create software for smartphones. There's no officially supported way of doing that I mean. You're required to have a desktop or laptop computer (keyboard & mouse) that runs XCode/Android Studio...
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- spacebacon 2y ago
  An interface makes programs more accessible to humans by placing them within a spatial field that's more familiar to our natural conditions. Most people with programming skills prefer the command line interface. The advantage of integrating computation and design into the real world is increased accessibility and ease of learning. However, after selling my LightForm projector and all AR/VR equipment in pursuit of similar novel solutions, I can confidently say I now prefer workflows that are contained within a small device I can carry in my pocket and stow away when done. My preferred interface is simply an easy button.
azeirah 2y ago
Despite appearances, dynamicland isn't about any particular paradigm on its own. It's a set of values and a way of looking at media that come together to create computer-literate communities and even culture. This is obviously a bit vague, especially if you look at all the things they're doing with the cameras and the projectors and the dots and all that. There's nothing stopping anyone "running" dynamicland on anything else. It's a completely different way of looking at computers, and it's basically saying "monitors, keyboards, mice, projectors, smartphones, tablets, laptops, vr headsets and xr headsets are all different kinds of ways to experience computation in the flesh. We want to explore what happens when we change the fundamental assumptions that computing is something you do (alone) in front of 'a computer'. What could computing look like if it was reimagined from the ground up, and we used people instead of person as our target audience, space instead of product, extensions of existing media rather than inventing new media, literacy instead of profession". It's difficult to really explain in one go, I've been following Bret Victor since before he even started ok CDG Regardless, I think it's the future for precisely one reason; it's easier, cheaper and more powerful. People can and people will integrate it with all the high tech stuff that we already have, that includes powerful desktops, vr, smartphones etc.
- skadamat 2y ago
  Hopefully my cooking analogy helps a tiny bit? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41448649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41448649 Similar a bit to Maggie Appleton's barefoot developers vibe too: https://maggieappleton.com/home-cooked-software https://maggieappleton.com/home-cooked-software
munificent 2y ago
> The physically embodied computer of the future will be a humanoid robot, and we will interact with it the same way we do with humans: by gesturing and speaking. I disagree. First of all, there's nothing particularly "physically embodied" about talking and gesturing at a robot. You can do that just as well with a screen showing a virtual robot and a camera with gesture recognition. Unless you're touching the robot, it doesn't have a body that's meaningfully interactive. Second, for many human endeavors, social interaction is not the primary way most people pursue it or want to pursue it. Yes, there are definitely some people with, say, an "executive mindset" who love social interaction so much that they want that to be all they do all day every day. But for many people, the activities they enjoy most are ones that involve solitary direct manipulation. If I'm going fishing, I want to cast the lure myself and feel the snap of it thrum through the rod. I want to feel the tension on the line when a fish bites. Waving at a robot and asking it to catch me a fish would be a strictly, catastrophically inferior experience. What is gardening if your hands don't get dirty or woodworking if you don't come home smelling like wood shavings? Here's a way to look at it: When people retire and no longer need to choose their activities based on financial need, how much time to they often end up spending giving instructions to people? I hear a lot of retirees puttering in their garden, playing board games, tinkering on an old motorcycle, or getting better at guitar. Some definitely do join community organizations too, but humans are as much a tool-using species as a social one.

shortrounddev2 2y ago

I feel that mobile screens and AR are going to be the future

modeless 2y ago
Mobile screens are the present, in the form of phones. Unfortunately there are fundamental physics problems that make AR too limited and too cumbersome to entirely replace screens for the foreseeable future. I highly recommend Karl Guttag's blog to learn about the problems that will hold back AR for a long, long time: https://kguttag.com/2023/06/03/slides-from-presentation-at-awe-2023-on-optical-versus-passthrough-mr/ https://kguttag.com/2023/06/03/slides-from-presentation-at-a...
- shortrounddev2 2y ago
  Yes, I think that mobile screens will continue to be our present, but in the future! I think that touch screens are the preferred medium for computation for technology users who started using computers regularly for personal use after c. 2011. Personally, I hate the things but I can see that for people who are not technical users, the mobile phone is a natural way to compute. I know of many people who don't even own a laptop or desktop; they just use their phone for all computation
  - carlosneves 2y ago
    One of the long-standing critiques I've heard from Alan Kay I think is that smartphone users can't use smartphones to create software for smartphones. There's no officially supported way of doing that I mean. You're required to have a desktop or laptop computer (keyboard & mouse) that runs XCode/Android Studio...
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spacebacon 2y ago
An interface makes programs more accessible to humans by placing them within a spatial field that's more familiar to our natural conditions. Most people with programming skills prefer the command line interface. The advantage of integrating computation and design into the real world is increased accessibility and ease of learning. However, after selling my LightForm projector and all AR/VR equipment in pursuit of similar novel solutions, I can confidently say I now prefer workflows that are contained within a small device I can carry in my pocket and stow away when done. My preferred interface is simply an easy button.

azeirah 2y ago

Despite appearances, dynamicland isn't about any particular paradigm on its own. It's a set of values and a way of looking at media that come together to create computer-literate communities and even culture. This is obviously a bit vague, especially if you look at all the things they're doing with the cameras and the projectors and the dots and all that. There's nothing stopping anyone "running" dynamicland on anything else. It's a completely different way of looking at computers, and it's basically saying "monitors, keyboards, mice, projectors, smartphones, tablets, laptops, vr headsets and xr headsets are all different kinds of ways to experience computation in the flesh. We want to explore what happens when we change the fundamental assumptions that computing is something you do (alone) in front of 'a computer'. What could computing look like if it was reimagined from the ground up, and we used people instead of person as our target audience, space instead of product, extensions of existing media rather than inventing new media, literacy instead of profession". It's difficult to really explain in one go, I've been following Bret Victor since before he even started ok CDG Regardless, I think it's the future for precisely one reason; it's easier, cheaper and more powerful. People can and people will integrate it with all the high tech stuff that we already have, that includes powerful desktops, vr, smartphones etc.

skadamat 2y ago
Hopefully my cooking analogy helps a tiny bit? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41448649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41448649 Similar a bit to Maggie Appleton's barefoot developers vibe too: https://maggieappleton.com/home-cooked-software https://maggieappleton.com/home-cooked-software

munificent 2y ago

> The physically embodied computer of the future will be a humanoid robot, and we will interact with it the same way we do with humans: by gesturing and speaking. I disagree. First of all, there's nothing particularly "physically embodied" about talking and gesturing at a robot. You can do that just as well with a screen showing a virtual robot and a camera with gesture recognition. Unless you're touching the robot, it doesn't have a body that's meaningfully interactive. Second, for many human endeavors, social interaction is not the primary way most people pursue it or want to pursue it. Yes, there are definitely some people with, say, an "executive mindset" who love social interaction so much that they want that to be all they do all day every day. But for many people, the activities they enjoy most are ones that involve solitary direct manipulation. If I'm going fishing, I want to cast the lure myself and feel the snap of it thrum through the rod. I want to feel the tension on the line when a fish bites. Waving at a robot and asking it to catch me a fish would be a strictly, catastrophically inferior experience. What is gardening if your hands don't get dirty or woodworking if you don't come home smelling like wood shavings? Here's a way to look at it: When people retire and no longer need to choose their activities based on financial need, how much time to they often end up spending giving instructions to people? I hear a lot of retirees puttering in their garden, playing board games, tinkering on an old motorcycle, or getting better at guitar. Some definitely do join community organizations too, but humans are as much a tool-using species as a social one.