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Awful news. Seems like this is the publishers planned approach going forward, nonstop lawsuits to henpeck the IA to death.

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leotravis10 2y ago
Yep. Not just publishers, almost every copyright holder. From five months ago, still relevant: https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/if_there_is_a_book_on_internet_archive_your/ https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/if_the... Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39908676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39908676
hexage1814 2y ago
Why not going the sci hub route?
- Kenji 2y ago
  It would be nice to have an archive with the blessing of our overlords, but I guess true preservation of data can only happen in illegality.
tptacek 2y ago
I don't think this took much henpecking. IA basically didn't have a case, took it to federal court, appealed it, and won themselves the following 2nd Circuit precedent: "[I]s it “fair use” for a nonprofit organization to scan copyright-protected print books in their entirety and distribute those digital copies online, in full, for free, subject to a one-to-one owned-to-loaned ratio between its print copies and the digital copies it makes available at any given time, all without authorization from the copyright-holding publishers or authors? Applying the relevant provisions of the Copyright Act as well as binding Supreme Court and Second Circuit precedent, we conclude the answer is no" This may be a broad setback to all controlled digital lending. As the saying goes, "play stupid games...".
- TMWNN 2y ago
  >This may be a broad setback to all controlled digital lending. As the saying goes, "play stupid games...". When I made this criticism before of IA, I was told that that was ridiculous since the publishers had it out for IA before the COVID-19 emergency library. That may or may not have been true, but the publishers did not sue IA despite OpenLibrary existing for years before COVID-19. Publishers didn't pull the trigger because they were afraid of losing. It was a MAD situation, and IA unnecessarily triggered a nuclear war that they lost.

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leotravis10 2y ago

Yep. Not just publishers, almost every copyright holder. From five months ago, still relevant: https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/if_there_is_a_book_on_internet_archive_your/ https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/if_the... Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39908676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39908676

hexage1814 2y ago

Why not going the sci hub route?

Kenji 2y ago
It would be nice to have an archive with the blessing of our overlords, but I guess true preservation of data can only happen in illegality.

tptacek 2y ago

I don't think this took much henpecking. IA basically didn't have a case, took it to federal court, appealed it, and won themselves the following 2nd Circuit precedent: "[I]s it “fair use” for a nonprofit organization to scan copyright-protected print books in their entirety and distribute those digital copies online, in full, for free, subject to a one-to-one owned-to-loaned ratio between its print copies and the digital copies it makes available at any given time, all without authorization from the copyright-holding publishers or authors? Applying the relevant provisions of the Copyright Act as well as binding Supreme Court and Second Circuit precedent, we conclude the answer is no" This may be a broad setback to all controlled digital lending. As the saying goes, "play stupid games...".

TMWNN 2y ago
>This may be a broad setback to all controlled digital lending. As the saying goes, "play stupid games...". When I made this criticism before of IA, I was told that that was ridiculous since the publishers had it out for IA before the COVID-19 emergency library. That may or may not have been true, but the publishers did not sue IA despite OpenLibrary existing for years before COVID-19. Publishers didn't pull the trigger because they were afraid of losing. It was a MAD situation, and IA unnecessarily triggered a nuclear war that they lost.