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Microsoft are conducting a massive experiment to find just how badly you can treat locked in consumers before they switch. They are plumbing the depths so well
by fidotron 2y ago
Microsoft are conducting a massive experiment to find just how badly you can treat locked in consumers before they switch.
They are plumbing the depths so well it is legitimately hard to imagine what new madness they could come up with next.
- choeger 2y agoI think that's pretty obvious, no? Behavioral controls. You add a web cam screenshot to that desktop screenshot and sell real attention signals to advertisers.
- fidotron 2y agoThey already tried that with the XBox One Kinect. That one did backfire quite hard.
- Diederich 2y agoWhy do something annoying once when you can do it twice for twice the outrage?
- RobotToaster 2y agoThat was then, this is now. Everyone abandoned Digg because of a level of censorship that modern reddit makes look benign.
- vkou 2y agoIf censorship is the problem, why hasn't reddit been abandoned for no-censorship alternatives? Are things not all sunshine and roses and a million flowers blooming in them?
- Narishma 2y agoJust because it failed in the past doesn't mean they won't retry again and again. It only needs to succeed once.
- jklinger410 2y agoThis happened recently with price gouging disguised as inflation as well. It seems to be a common business tactic for corps at over over a certain size.
- nightski 2y agoMarkets finding the price which balances supply and demand is not price gouging. Demand went up because it was suppressed during the pandemic and there was also extra savings in the economy (due to saving during the pandemic + stimulus and overall increase in money supply).
- tempfile 2y agoThere is no objective difference between finding the balance of supply and demand and price gouging.
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- nightski 2y agoNo, price gouging is taking advantage of short term manipulations in supply and demand. If this happened during the pandemic then you might have a case. However what we are seeing now are long term, permanent changes to demand due monetary inflation.
- tempfile 2y agoI really can't make sense of what you wrote here. "taking advantage of short term manipulations in supply and demand" - assuming by "manipulations" you just mean "changes" here (since I don't really know how someone can manipulate demand) - this is just how markets find prices in general. Maybe you mean manipulations in supply, for example a vendor holding onto products instead of selling them in order to drive up the price. But again, this is just how markets find prices: vendors refuse to sell products until buyers pay a price they find acceptable. It remains true that this is not objectively distinguishable from price gouging. Gouging is just a word for "finding prices that I think aren't fair".
- nightski 2y agoThe problem is most users don't even know it is happening.
- onemoresoop 2y agoThey will find out, eventually. I think it'll be faster than MS's ability to do a u turn. Windows 11 is something I will never install, recommend or vouch for. I'm actually steering all my family and friends from Windows 11. I think this move by MS will make Apple more money.
- tootie 2y agoPer the source article, the features themselves are opt-in (ie not automatically enabled). I believe Apple is rolling out Apple Intelligence pretty much the same way yet it did not set off a firestorm of criticism.
- altruios 2y agolets see how that plays out, Cotton. I would not be surprised that per the standard instillation route, default choices are designed to be as easily skipped as possible.
- nickthegreek 2y agoAnd updates will once again push the defaults hoping you will just skip it this time to get to the desktop.
- tootie 2y agoOh I'm sure they'll use whatever UX techniques they can to convince or dupe users to opt in. My point is that Apple is going to do the same. I'm not defending either of them, just saying it feels like a double standard.
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