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Can you show me where this is happening in the Linux project? I’ve only ever seen hostility from the C folks to the Rust folks. I agree that in general the ove

Can you show me where this is happening in the Linux project? I’ve only ever seen hostility from the C folks to the Rust folks. I agree that in general the overall level of hostility in the kernel seems higher than ideal.

RandomThoughts3 2y ago
With all due respect, you might not be completely neutral and unbiased here.
- steveklabnik 2y ago
  Then show me the evidence. You also say “Rust zealots” above so you yourself (like frankly everyone) have bias as well.
  - RandomThoughts3 2y ago
    You are the one implying the C developers are aggressing the Rust crowd, mr formerly professionally employed by the Rust project for outreach person.
    - steveklabnik 2y ago
      Everyone is free to watch the video and make up their own minds, invoking religion instead of engaging with the actual technical aspects is aggressive, yes. (Also, I was employed to write documentation, not do marketing, at least be accurate if you're going to try and smear me.)
      - RandomThoughts3 2y ago
        I'm not smearing you. I'm stating that you are extremely biased - which you are. > invoking religion instead of engaging Please, this is not the Mozilla mailing list. Don't bring the discussion to this kind of ground because you can't argue in good faith. You perfectly understood what I meant with zealots and it has nothing to do with religion here.
        steveklabnik 2y ago
        > You perfectly understood what I meant with zealots and it has nothing to do with religion here. I am referring to the video that this discussion is about, and that I referred to in the first half of that sentence, and what was said in it, not your zealotry comments.
        RandomThoughts3 2y ago
        It's entierely possible we might be talking past each other because I haven't seen the worst of what was said regarding the Rust integration by its opponents and you were not aware of all the comments I personally found unconstructive from the other side. I am cognisant that it doesn't paint a very good picture of the kernel community as a whole.
JohnFen 2y ago
I'm not commenting on kernel dev specifically, just the general state of things. > I’ve only ever seen hostility from the C folks I've seen that, too, but it looks to me that the hostility in that direction was a reaction to the hostility Rust folks have. It takes two to tango, of course, but also devs are people, too. While it's not ideal, it's also understandable that people react poorly to being treated poorly.
- steveklabnik 2y ago
  The context being discussed here is what happened recently in the kernel. If that outburst’s root cause was Rust folks being jerks to the C folks, that’s very different than what seemingly happened. I think both communities are too large and disparate to make sweeping claims like this in a more general sense, but I agree that people should not treat each other poorly.

RandomThoughts3 2y ago

With all due respect, you might not be completely neutral and unbiased here.

steveklabnik 2y ago
Then show me the evidence. You also say “Rust zealots” above so you yourself (like frankly everyone) have bias as well.
- RandomThoughts3 2y ago
  You are the one implying the C developers are aggressing the Rust crowd, mr formerly professionally employed by the Rust project for outreach person.
  - steveklabnik 2y ago
    Everyone is free to watch the video and make up their own minds, invoking religion instead of engaging with the actual technical aspects is aggressive, yes. (Also, I was employed to write documentation, not do marketing, at least be accurate if you're going to try and smear me.)
    - RandomThoughts3 2y ago
      I'm not smearing you. I'm stating that you are extremely biased - which you are. > invoking religion instead of engaging Please, this is not the Mozilla mailing list. Don't bring the discussion to this kind of ground because you can't argue in good faith. You perfectly understood what I meant with zealots and it has nothing to do with religion here.
      - steveklabnik 2y ago
        > You perfectly understood what I meant with zealots and it has nothing to do with religion here. I am referring to the video that this discussion is about, and that I referred to in the first half of that sentence, and what was said in it, not your zealotry comments.
        RandomThoughts3 2y ago
        It's entierely possible we might be talking past each other because I haven't seen the worst of what was said regarding the Rust integration by its opponents and you were not aware of all the comments I personally found unconstructive from the other side. I am cognisant that it doesn't paint a very good picture of the kernel community as a whole.

JohnFen 2y ago

I'm not commenting on kernel dev specifically, just the general state of things. > I’ve only ever seen hostility from the C folks I've seen that, too, but it looks to me that the hostility in that direction was a reaction to the hostility Rust folks have. It takes two to tango, of course, but also devs are people, too. While it's not ideal, it's also understandable that people react poorly to being treated poorly.

steveklabnik 2y ago
The context being discussed here is what happened recently in the kernel. If that outburst’s root cause was Rust folks being jerks to the C folks, that’s very different than what seemingly happened. I think both communities are too large and disparate to make sweeping claims like this in a more general sense, but I agree that people should not treat each other poorly.