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>And that's where we diverge, dogmatic approaches like this don't leave any room for discussion or arguments, you have a belief which is not too dissimilar to a

>And that's where we diverge, dogmatic approaches like this don't leave any room for discussion or arguments, you have a belief which is not too dissimilar to a religious one... In reality allowing absolute free speech including people calling and encouraging the death of others on a massive scale is detrimental to civilization. We had that for decades and civilization was just fine. Hell, don't we supposedly have that today with Twitter, yet civilization is just fine. What happened after 2016 and 2020 was infinitely worse, with huge segments of the AMERICAN population unable to express their views. Who are you to dictate what society/civilization is allowed to think/view? The one thing I'll agree with you on is the removal of financial incentives from these websites. I do want all viewpoints on these websites, but I of course understand the removal of financial payments for posts that "go viral" praising Stalin or Hitler or something.

piva00 2y ago
> We had that for decades and civilization was just fine. Hell, don't we supposedly have that today with Twitter, yet civilization is just fine. When exactly did we have ways to spread a message across the globe instantly, effortlessly, while also having the capacity to generate fake engagement/support at massive scale for hate-filled points of view to drive naïve audiences into them through history? > What happened after 2016 and 2020 was infinitely worse, with huge segments of the AMERICAN population unable to express their views. They can express their views, just not on some types of media which have a massive reach. Broadcast radio and TV have regulations on what can be said on air due to its reach, why does broadcast over the internet should be any different? If you post on Twitter you are broadcasting. You can still tell your friends at the dinner table that you hate Jews, you won't be arrested for that, the worst outcome is being socially shunned for having an abhorrent opinion. You should not be able to distribute that messaging across the larger population. I ask this with honest curiosity: how do you expect society to deal with this issue? When 14 years old boys start getting bombarded by abhorrent speech such as encouraging the hate and killing of other groups, when some uneducated person falls into a conspiracy theory? How do you deal with the stochastic processes this start without curtailing access to the platform that allows this to be distributed? You are conflating free speech with free access to broadcasting platforms, those are definitely not the same.

piva00 2y ago

> We had that for decades and civilization was just fine. Hell, don't we supposedly have that today with Twitter, yet civilization is just fine. When exactly did we have ways to spread a message across the globe instantly, effortlessly, while also having the capacity to generate fake engagement/support at massive scale for hate-filled points of view to drive naïve audiences into them through history? > What happened after 2016 and 2020 was infinitely worse, with huge segments of the AMERICAN population unable to express their views. They can express their views, just not on some types of media which have a massive reach. Broadcast radio and TV have regulations on what can be said on air due to its reach, why does broadcast over the internet should be any different? If you post on Twitter you are broadcasting. You can still tell your friends at the dinner table that you hate Jews, you won't be arrested for that, the worst outcome is being socially shunned for having an abhorrent opinion. You should not be able to distribute that messaging across the larger population. I ask this with honest curiosity: how do you expect society to deal with this issue? When 14 years old boys start getting bombarded by abhorrent speech such as encouraging the hate and killing of other groups, when some uneducated person falls into a conspiracy theory? How do you deal with the stochastic processes this start without curtailing access to the platform that allows this to be distributed? You are conflating free speech with free access to broadcasting platforms, those are definitely not the same.