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Brazil's last president was literally an officer in the military dictatorship that ran the country for decades, and he has loudly talked about how that dictator

Brazil's last president was literally an officer in the military dictatorship that ran the country for decades, and he has loudly talked about how that dictatorship should have killed like 20,000 more people. You can disagree with Lula, but idk how it gets more "above the constitution" than your job literally being to kill political opponents.

lobocinza 2y ago
> Brazil's last president was literally an officer in the military dictatorship that ran the country for decades Dubious. He was born in 55. Military dictatorship was from 64 and 79. At 64 he was 9 years old.
- jambajuice420 2y ago
  Ah sorry, my bad. Nonetheless, here's a list of sourced Bolsonaro quotes including like three to the effect of "I wish that dictatorship had killed more people." https://jacobin.com/2018/10/jair-bolsonaro-quotes-brazil-election https://jacobin.com/2018/10/jair-bolsonaro-quotes-brazil-ele... (Also he says "I'm favorable to torture" and "It was a mistake to torture and not to kill." Which is it, Jair?)
  - lobocinza 2y ago
    It's no secret that Bolsonaro made a career on this kind of rhetoric but this is a tangent. Bolsonaro being a good or bad person will not make concrete authoritarian acts from the supreme court less authoritarian.
    - jambajuice420 2y ago
      I don't think the supreme court acted in an authoritarian way, they just don't have the same legal tradition as the US does. Regardless, I was responding specifically to the notion that Brazil was a thriving democracy before Lula took office, which is clearly absurd given that the last holder of that office has built his entire public persona on hating democracy.
      - lobocinza 2y ago
        > I don't think the supreme court acted in an authoritarian way, they just don't have the same legal tradition as the US does. What do you mean by that? The constitution on article 5 and 220 is clear on freedom of expression being a guaranteed right. e.g "manifestations of thought, creation, expression, and information may not be subject to any restrictions" > responding specifically to the notion that Brazil was a thriving democracy before Lula took office, which is clearly absurd Brazil has a long history of authoritarian and populist governments yet it's a democracy since 1988 despite the erosion. And certainly more thriving than Cuba or Venezuela. This notion isn't absurd at all. If you think that a party that is part of an ideological block of authoritarians like Castro, Chavez, Maduro, Xi, Putin et cetera and that has stayed in power for 16 of the last 22 years has done nothing to consolidate and perpetuate power you are beyond naivety.
- ricardorivaldo 2y ago
  this ex-military guy attemped a coup, to be appointed as presidente in spite of election results, they literally asked for a "military intervention" , the coup failled because US military was not onboard as they where in 1964 when a violent , blody and corrupt dictatorship was in place , with a US navy ship in Rio de Janeiro harbor. 2022 attempt was much like trump attempted in 2020 but now civil society , and the world reacted and uphold the election
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    > this ex-military guy attemped a coup Don't talk as if this guy actually tried something. He ran away to the USA like a coward, like the rat he is. Literally abandoned everyone who ever supported him. > they literally asked for a "military intervention" You bet they did. What are you supposed to do when the supreme court usurps all power and installs a dictatorship of the judiciary in your country? There's actually a device in brazilian law that lists the military as a superior "moderating power" that's supposed to intervene and bring order to things if the balance between the other three powers gets too fucked up. Why, that's the exact situation we found ourselves in back in 2022. Hell it's the situation we still find ourselves in. Unelected, unaccountable judge-kings not only censoring political speech but getting away with it. So they tried asking the military to bring order to this mess. Not only did the military refuse, when the military actually showed up, it was to arrest them. That's what happened on January 8th. That's the story of the "heroic" brazilian military, and the complete fools who actually believed in them. So let's drop this silly "coup" narrative. There was no "coup". There was not even an attempt at a "coup". There was a protest where they asked the military to sort this mess out. The result of that protest was the protesters ended up in a gulag.
    - lobocinza 2y ago
      My friend don't fall for this trap. Every Brazilian with at least half a brain knows that Lula is corrupt, Moraes is authoritarian and Bolsonaro a coward. He is just poorly repeating the talking points of those that deceitfully try to change the subject and justfy the unjustifiable. Bolsonaro is the Left panacea.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  He didn't participate in the coup, but he served the dictatorship nevertheless.
  - lobocinza 2y ago
    He entered military prep school in 73 and graduated in 77. Re-democratization started in 74. Obviously he had no political influence at the time even though he supported the military government as a politician. Anyway it doesn't matter, Bolsonaro being good or bad has nothing to do with X being blocked.

lobocinza 2y ago

> Brazil's last president was literally an officer in the military dictatorship that ran the country for decades Dubious. He was born in 55. Military dictatorship was from 64 and 79. At 64 he was 9 years old.

jambajuice420 2y ago
Ah sorry, my bad. Nonetheless, here's a list of sourced Bolsonaro quotes including like three to the effect of "I wish that dictatorship had killed more people." https://jacobin.com/2018/10/jair-bolsonaro-quotes-brazil-election https://jacobin.com/2018/10/jair-bolsonaro-quotes-brazil-ele... (Also he says "I'm favorable to torture" and "It was a mistake to torture and not to kill." Which is it, Jair?)
- lobocinza 2y ago
  It's no secret that Bolsonaro made a career on this kind of rhetoric but this is a tangent. Bolsonaro being a good or bad person will not make concrete authoritarian acts from the supreme court less authoritarian.
  - jambajuice420 2y ago
    I don't think the supreme court acted in an authoritarian way, they just don't have the same legal tradition as the US does. Regardless, I was responding specifically to the notion that Brazil was a thriving democracy before Lula took office, which is clearly absurd given that the last holder of that office has built his entire public persona on hating democracy.
    - lobocinza 2y ago
      > I don't think the supreme court acted in an authoritarian way, they just don't have the same legal tradition as the US does. What do you mean by that? The constitution on article 5 and 220 is clear on freedom of expression being a guaranteed right. e.g "manifestations of thought, creation, expression, and information may not be subject to any restrictions" > responding specifically to the notion that Brazil was a thriving democracy before Lula took office, which is clearly absurd Brazil has a long history of authoritarian and populist governments yet it's a democracy since 1988 despite the erosion. And certainly more thriving than Cuba or Venezuela. This notion isn't absurd at all. If you think that a party that is part of an ideological block of authoritarians like Castro, Chavez, Maduro, Xi, Putin et cetera and that has stayed in power for 16 of the last 22 years has done nothing to consolidate and perpetuate power you are beyond naivety.
ricardorivaldo 2y ago
this ex-military guy attemped a coup, to be appointed as presidente in spite of election results, they literally asked for a "military intervention" , the coup failled because US military was not onboard as they where in 1964 when a violent , blody and corrupt dictatorship was in place , with a US navy ship in Rio de Janeiro harbor. 2022 attempt was much like trump attempted in 2020 but now civil society , and the world reacted and uphold the election
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  > this ex-military guy attemped a coup Don't talk as if this guy actually tried something. He ran away to the USA like a coward, like the rat he is. Literally abandoned everyone who ever supported him. > they literally asked for a "military intervention" You bet they did. What are you supposed to do when the supreme court usurps all power and installs a dictatorship of the judiciary in your country? There's actually a device in brazilian law that lists the military as a superior "moderating power" that's supposed to intervene and bring order to things if the balance between the other three powers gets too fucked up. Why, that's the exact situation we found ourselves in back in 2022. Hell it's the situation we still find ourselves in. Unelected, unaccountable judge-kings not only censoring political speech but getting away with it. So they tried asking the military to bring order to this mess. Not only did the military refuse, when the military actually showed up, it was to arrest them. That's what happened on January 8th. That's the story of the "heroic" brazilian military, and the complete fools who actually believed in them. So let's drop this silly "coup" narrative. There was no "coup". There was not even an attempt at a "coup". There was a protest where they asked the military to sort this mess out. The result of that protest was the protesters ended up in a gulag.
  - lobocinza 2y ago
    My friend don't fall for this trap. Every Brazilian with at least half a brain knows that Lula is corrupt, Moraes is authoritarian and Bolsonaro a coward. He is just poorly repeating the talking points of those that deceitfully try to change the subject and justfy the unjustifiable. Bolsonaro is the Left panacea.
rbanffy 2y ago
He didn't participate in the coup, but he served the dictatorship nevertheless.
- lobocinza 2y ago
  He entered military prep school in 73 and graduated in 77. Re-democratization started in 74. Obviously he had no political influence at the time even though he supported the military government as a politician. Anyway it doesn't matter, Bolsonaro being good or bad has nothing to do with X being blocked.