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If you click around in X for a few minutes, I doubt you won't find nazi propaganda or downright illegal content. The content moderation aspect just doesn't exi

If you click around in X for a few minutes, I doubt you won't find nazi propaganda or downright illegal content. The content moderation aspect just doesn't exist. It'll soon become yet another 4chan. What I'm really surprised about is how X is still operating in the US or here in Europe.

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bartread 2y ago
I feel like this is a really different experience to my own current experience of Twitter. My timeline notably isn't full of right-wing propaganda, whereas I know plenty of others who complain that this is the case, and who have even left because of it. I don't understand what is causing people to have these really different experiences with the product, especially given the relatively minimal controls over timeline content that are available (basically follow/unfollow/block). It's odd.
- rascul 2y ago
  Twitter is filled with sports stuff for me, nothing nazi and almost nothing political. I use it exclusively for sports stuff, though.
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  > I don't understand what is causing people to have these really different experiences -- given the relatively minimal controls over timeline content I offer that the purpose of exTwitter's algorithms is to choose different content for different people - and insufficient controls keep user consent from interfering with that. As to why exTw algos choose what is chosen: The purpose of black boxes seems to be making sure users never, ever learn why.
- dminik 2y ago
  I went to check for myself. The posts for me seem to be split 50/50 between tech content from people I'm following and raging debates about whether Churchill is responsible for WW2 (due to some podcast with Tucker Carlson). As you might guess the second one is full of literal Nazi propaganda and Hitler apologists. The rest is filled out with people dunking on Elon. My guess is that if I didn't have him blocked, his stuff would show up there too.
- arkh 2y ago
  > I don't understand what is causing people to have these really different experiences with the product Imagine you're in a right wing bubble. You follow right wing people. Some of them start complaining about what some fringe left wing people post on X and link to those tweets. You follow those links. Now you just interacted with fringe left wing people. Little by little the mighty algorithm will start giving you what you seem to like: fringe left wing content. Now you're complaining about how X is full of those tweets. Reverse left and right and you got the OP.
black_puppydog 2y ago
surprisingly, nearly all politicians, from municipal all thew way to european level, still have accounts there. I often wonder and worry about how they and their social media teams must perceive the world and especially the electorate if they still hang out in this environment. edit: and as a consequence, most journalists also still have at least an account there. same for them: how do they perceive the world? especially given the propensity for the right wing/fascists for commenting directly on the local news' websites...
- tracker1 2y ago
  About the same as left-wing/communists for commenting everywhere. In the end, there are things that suck about a general freedom of speech and expression. With Twitter, you have the ability to block those that offend you, as does everyone else. I appreciate and use this function. What I don't want is for some huge opaque organization to decide on my behalf.
snehk 2y ago
> What I'm really surprised about is how X is still operating in the US or here in Europe. Me too, which is crazy. I remember when news outlets in Europe were complaining about how Russia forbids websites where people could talk freely, complained about arrests over social media posts. That was maybe a decade ago. Hearing "bad fake news hate speech bad" over and over again somehow does something, I guess. You start to seriously question why something that allows people to share text and pictures is not banned.
- tracker1 2y ago
  In the US, there is a constitutional callout to the freedom of speech/expression. This has been interpreted very broadly historically speaking. It would and should be very difficult to restrict this. And in my opinion this is the way things should be. The path to dystopia is really easy to envision and must be resisted imo. I don't want to see a day where you can be arrested, or worse, for saying you don't like the President when someone else can hear or report you, or because the govt are spying on your phone. Yes, this does mean protecting speech that I don't like as well. Twitter has a "following" tab, as well as the ability to block individuals you don't like. Between the two, you have all the control you need to avoid content you don't like. I don't need some large, opaque company, government or cabal to decide on my behalf what I'm allowed to, or not to see.
ulrischa 2y ago
I have not found a single nazi posting in my timeline. I guess there are some like in any other social network but the mass effect proclaimed can not be seen.
throw_pm23 2y ago
"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." -Mark Twain
KevinMS 2y ago
> If you click around in X for a few minutes, I doubt you won't find nazi propaganda or downright illegal content. I just don't believe you. How about you "click around X for a few minutes" and show us all the bad stuff you found.
- tracker1 2y ago
  That was pretty much my first thought... what kind of people are you following, if you see a lot of this kind of thing. I mostly use the "Following" tab now, as it's just more tuned to what I want to see and who I follow, even if it is political. I also feel there are a lot of chaos operatives on the platform that are spewing garbage and these are likely foreign state actors as much as trolls. Which comes back to who you follow. I am perfectly fine as long as I can block individuals I don't like... I don't necessarily want the platform to do it for me.
  - ryandvm 2y ago
    Lol. "I don't see hate speech as long as I turn off the promoted speech."
    - tracker1 2y ago
      I am an adult and can manage my own needs and expectations. The platform offers the adjustments that I would expect to be able to do that. I don't wear a diaper or have the govt wipe my rear either.
      - chomp 2y ago
        Okay, use X then, I don’t understand your problem here. The rest of us are going to choose platforms where we don’t have to be neighborly with phrenology enthusiasts. The internet has something for everybody, just pick the social media you are happy with.
        tracker1 2y ago
tracker1 2y ago
What kind of vile people are you following?
- pupppet 2y ago
  Elon

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bartread 2y ago

I feel like this is a really different experience to my own current experience of Twitter. My timeline notably isn't full of right-wing propaganda, whereas I know plenty of others who complain that this is the case, and who have even left because of it. I don't understand what is causing people to have these really different experiences with the product, especially given the relatively minimal controls over timeline content that are available (basically follow/unfollow/block). It's odd.

rascul 2y ago
Twitter is filled with sports stuff for me, nothing nazi and almost nothing political. I use it exclusively for sports stuff, though.
WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
> I don't understand what is causing people to have these really different experiences -- given the relatively minimal controls over timeline content I offer that the purpose of exTwitter's algorithms is to choose different content for different people - and insufficient controls keep user consent from interfering with that. As to why exTw algos choose what is chosen: The purpose of black boxes seems to be making sure users never, ever learn why.
dminik 2y ago
I went to check for myself. The posts for me seem to be split 50/50 between tech content from people I'm following and raging debates about whether Churchill is responsible for WW2 (due to some podcast with Tucker Carlson). As you might guess the second one is full of literal Nazi propaganda and Hitler apologists. The rest is filled out with people dunking on Elon. My guess is that if I didn't have him blocked, his stuff would show up there too.
arkh 2y ago
> I don't understand what is causing people to have these really different experiences with the product Imagine you're in a right wing bubble. You follow right wing people. Some of them start complaining about what some fringe left wing people post on X and link to those tweets. You follow those links. Now you just interacted with fringe left wing people. Little by little the mighty algorithm will start giving you what you seem to like: fringe left wing content. Now you're complaining about how X is full of those tweets. Reverse left and right and you got the OP.

black_puppydog 2y ago

surprisingly, nearly all politicians, from municipal all thew way to european level, still have accounts there. I often wonder and worry about how they and their social media teams must perceive the world and especially the electorate if they still hang out in this environment. edit: and as a consequence, most journalists also still have at least an account there. same for them: how do they perceive the world? especially given the propensity for the right wing/fascists for commenting directly on the local news' websites...

tracker1 2y ago
About the same as left-wing/communists for commenting everywhere. In the end, there are things that suck about a general freedom of speech and expression. With Twitter, you have the ability to block those that offend you, as does everyone else. I appreciate and use this function. What I don't want is for some huge opaque organization to decide on my behalf.

snehk 2y ago

> What I'm really surprised about is how X is still operating in the US or here in Europe. Me too, which is crazy. I remember when news outlets in Europe were complaining about how Russia forbids websites where people could talk freely, complained about arrests over social media posts. That was maybe a decade ago. Hearing "bad fake news hate speech bad" over and over again somehow does something, I guess. You start to seriously question why something that allows people to share text and pictures is not banned.

tracker1 2y ago
In the US, there is a constitutional callout to the freedom of speech/expression. This has been interpreted very broadly historically speaking. It would and should be very difficult to restrict this. And in my opinion this is the way things should be. The path to dystopia is really easy to envision and must be resisted imo. I don't want to see a day where you can be arrested, or worse, for saying you don't like the President when someone else can hear or report you, or because the govt are spying on your phone. Yes, this does mean protecting speech that I don't like as well. Twitter has a "following" tab, as well as the ability to block individuals you don't like. Between the two, you have all the control you need to avoid content you don't like. I don't need some large, opaque company, government or cabal to decide on my behalf what I'm allowed to, or not to see.

ulrischa 2y ago

I have not found a single nazi posting in my timeline. I guess there are some like in any other social network but the mass effect proclaimed can not be seen.

throw_pm23 2y ago

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." -Mark Twain

KevinMS 2y ago

> If you click around in X for a few minutes, I doubt you won't find nazi propaganda or downright illegal content. I just don't believe you. How about you "click around X for a few minutes" and show us all the bad stuff you found.

tracker1 2y ago
That was pretty much my first thought... what kind of people are you following, if you see a lot of this kind of thing. I mostly use the "Following" tab now, as it's just more tuned to what I want to see and who I follow, even if it is political. I also feel there are a lot of chaos operatives on the platform that are spewing garbage and these are likely foreign state actors as much as trolls. Which comes back to who you follow. I am perfectly fine as long as I can block individuals I don't like... I don't necessarily want the platform to do it for me.
- ryandvm 2y ago
  Lol. "I don't see hate speech as long as I turn off the promoted speech."
  - tracker1 2y ago
    I am an adult and can manage my own needs and expectations. The platform offers the adjustments that I would expect to be able to do that. I don't wear a diaper or have the govt wipe my rear either.
    - chomp 2y ago
      Okay, use X then, I don’t understand your problem here. The rest of us are going to choose platforms where we don’t have to be neighborly with phrenology enthusiasts. The internet has something for everybody, just pick the social media you are happy with.
      - tracker1 2y ago

tracker1 2y ago

What kind of vile people are you following?

pupppet 2y ago
Elon