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Did they announce they're locking this new device? I have a remarkable 2 and it's basically a stripped down version of Linux that you can SSH in and install wha

by mtrovo 2y ago

Did they announce they're locking this new device? I have a remarkable 2 and it's basically a stripped down version of Linux that you can SSH in and install whatever you want on it.

Rinzler89 2y ago
This feels like something some Chinese company can put out at much cheaper price, just a barebones large e-ink tablet, for hackers and tinkerers, with some linux distro with touch support, unlocked bootloader and ssh, powered by a microcontroller with mainline linux support, no fancy apps, no cloud service and no subscription, where they just supply the HW and the community on GitHub builds the SW for it, a-la RPi.
- plagiarist 2y ago
  I wish they would. Currently I think at best they're all running a custom Android OS, though.
  - lidavidm 2y ago
    Could consider a Kobo Elipsa. (I have a different Kobo device.) It runs some sort of Linux and you can install Koreader and a couple of other things. You can tweak a config file and set up the device without an account. Not sure how the writing experience compares to reMarkable, though (probably not favorably).
- antimoney 2y ago
  See https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/ https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/
  - BadHumans 2y ago
    This doesn't exist. It has been out of stock for at least a year at this point.
- deleted 2y ago
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- Almondsetat 2y ago
  The entire point of these devices is the tailored software experience, I don't know where your suggestion comes from
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    It comes from the fact that I'm tired of subscriptions, and some SW being "tailored made" is not always synonymous with very high quality. Community developed FOSS SW can sometimes be better quality and more functional than commercial SW. For example I see KDE as being far superior than whatever Microsoft is doing now on the Windows desktop side, where one is free developed by the community and the other costs money and is tailor made by a trillion dollar corp. Case in point, I had a Tolino(Kobo) ebook reader and the KOREADER PDF reader I sideloaded on it from github was way better than the tailor made one it shipped with. HW makers often suck at SW since their dev budget gets eaten away by the HW dev costs and they compensate by skipping on the SW dev side to keep their budget and profit margins in check.
    - Almondsetat 2y ago
      Your examples are misinformed. First of all, you are comparing two desktop environments that have been around for almost the same amount of time. KDE is extremely mature, both because of its age and its popularity. This is not the case with some niche e-ink products. Secondly, you cannot even remotely compare the software needed for document rendering with the one for hand writing. The former is a very mature ecosystem and you can just write a UI on top of muPDF and port it to your platform to have a feature complete solution. The latter instead requires a wealth of expertise in how humans write and draw to develop both the drivers and the user land applications. Take the Librem phone or the PinePhone as exampleS. it took nothing to port Firefox or GIMP or DOOM to them, and yet the feel of their UI is terrible. Writing your PIN to unlock them lags, inputs are laggy, moving across the UI is slow and buggy. They are worse than the first iphone from almost 20 years ago, even though plenty of good developers have worked on them
    - SSLy 2y ago
      Ah yeah, that gobshite pdf reader shipped with kobos is adobe's digital editions. Incredible ass jank with bad concept (it's for their DRM). OTOH Kobo's Epub reader is very nice, if you convert your books to kepub – use callibre.
- bluGill 2y ago
  You mean like the pine note? https://pine64.org/devices/pinenote/ https://pine64.org/devices/pinenote/ The hardware is easy for China, but there is a lot of software that doesn't exist yet, or it exists but is too slow to be usable. If you want to work on that software, then the pinenote is a great deal, order one and get busing writing/optimizing code. If you want a tablet that works the ReMarkable has been around for years.
  - diggan 2y ago
    To be honest (and as a reMarkable 2 owner), the software side of reMarkable isn't a "out of this world" experience, it's basically "just enough" to do it's job but not more than that.
    - pjerem 2y ago
      For me, it’s not even enough. My remarkable is sleeping in a drawer. I totally understand the "it’s just a notebook and nothing else" limitation. Like : ok, you can’t do anything else than using it as a notebook. Why not. It’s how it’s marketed and I bought it for that. My issues comes from the fact that it’s actually a really dumb notebook where it could have been a "better" notebook. I mean, it’s 2024 and they still don’t allow you to create links between pages. And the global ergonomics are pretty barebones too. Navigation is slow. Ok, it’s e-ink, e-ink is slow at rendering full pages. So maybe at least don’t make your UX be a succession of screens ? It’s like designers forgot that you can create interfaces that don’t require to redraw the entire screen between each action. This thing is both a really beautiful and enjoyable object (the writing feeling is truly incredible) and a daily frustration of intentional limitations and laziness.
  - password4321 2y ago
    For those curious, the PineNote is currently $399 + shipping, but out of stock (and has been for some time, not even mentioned on the store home page that includes just about everything else). https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/ https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/
- itishappy 2y ago
  There's plenty of competition in this space: Kindle Scribe, Boox Note, Supernote X, Koba Libra, Daylight Computer.
  - glenngillen 2y ago
    A couple of years in and really happy with my Supernote
- lorenzotenti 2y ago
  Boox do something similar, with android
- mangoparrot 2y ago
  "Boox" sort-of does this. slaps android and leaves everything to apps. For completely OSS, pine64 pinenote.
- nihzm 2y ago
  > with some linux distro with touch support, unlocked bootloader and ssh, powered by a microcontroller with mainline linux support, no fancy apps, no cloud service and no subscription I am also not a fan of the subscription model & pricing scheme but I guess that is how they want to pay back their investors. However, besides this they are (relatively speaking) also a pretty open company with a sizable community on github maitaning a lot of custom tools / applications. They do not provide official support for these modifications, but these tablets are definitely not locked-in like an ipad or impossible to tinker with because of obscure undocumented chinese hardware https://github.com/reMarkable https://github.com/reMarkable https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable
  - j6m8 2y ago
    The reMarkable company has been super adversarial to a lot of these tools, and the file standards and API have been moving goalposts for years. MOST of the tools on that Awesome list are defunct because the primary open source tools for getting data to the reMarkable cloud (rmapi and rmapy) are no longer maintained — the primary maintainers both cite reMarkable's moving target API as the final dealbreaker. SUPER sad. I've been hoping to write my own now that the dust has settled, but it's definitely a MAJOR project yet to be done by the FOSS community.
    - mtrovo 2y ago
      I started tinkering with their cloud API and it's not a major work at all to create a client to it, I managed to create a POC uploading and managing files on their cloud in a weekend. I still need to polish it a little bit and make sure I cover all the possible operations but definitely doable.
loughnane 2y ago
I didn't see any announcment, but I'm in the same boat as you. It's honestly the main reason I don't look at other competitors.
squarefoot 2y ago
> I have a remarkable 2 and it's basically a stripped down version of Linux that you can SSH in and install whatever you want on it. Could you for example mount a NFS or CIFS directory on the LAN, then access .PDFs and documents in other formats without signing to any external service? I was looking for something like that and have been waiting for years for the PineNote to become ready, usable and available, but have given up. Unfortunately all readers out there are tied to this or that cloud service subscription, and I would use them only locally. (I call them readers because I don't need the note taking feature; being able to place bookmarks would be more than enough)
- mtrovo 2y ago
  My guess would be yes when you install KOReader on it.
- vessenes 2y ago
  Probably. One bit of jank is that the rm2 api names pdfs with descriptor ids, and has a custom directory setup to track inking. I’m not sure if it will load ‘named’ pdfs easily or not, but an alt e reader should. It’s open enough that I ran a Tailscale client node on it for a while. You do get root of a limited but not nerfed Linux machine when you buy one. What you don’t get is any support for maintaining your changes: they wipe most of the os on each update. If you don’t mind a little bash scripting, I think it would be fairly easy to keep modifications synced up. Upshot : expect friction, not locks.

by mtrovo 2y ago

Did they announce they're locking this new device? I have a remarkable 2 and it's basically a stripped down version of Linux that you can SSH in and install whatever you want on it.

Rinzler89 2y ago

This feels like something some Chinese company can put out at much cheaper price, just a barebones large e-ink tablet, for hackers and tinkerers, with some linux distro with touch support, unlocked bootloader and ssh, powered by a microcontroller with mainline linux support, no fancy apps, no cloud service and no subscription, where they just supply the HW and the community on GitHub builds the SW for it, a-la RPi.

plagiarist 2y ago
I wish they would. Currently I think at best they're all running a custom Android OS, though.
- lidavidm 2y ago
  Could consider a Kobo Elipsa. (I have a different Kobo device.) It runs some sort of Linux and you can install Koreader and a couple of other things. You can tweak a config file and set up the device without an account. Not sure how the writing experience compares to reMarkable, though (probably not favorably).
antimoney 2y ago
See https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/ https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/
- BadHumans 2y ago
  This doesn't exist. It has been out of stock for at least a year at this point.
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Almondsetat 2y ago
The entire point of these devices is the tailored software experience, I don't know where your suggestion comes from
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  It comes from the fact that I'm tired of subscriptions, and some SW being "tailored made" is not always synonymous with very high quality. Community developed FOSS SW can sometimes be better quality and more functional than commercial SW. For example I see KDE as being far superior than whatever Microsoft is doing now on the Windows desktop side, where one is free developed by the community and the other costs money and is tailor made by a trillion dollar corp. Case in point, I had a Tolino(Kobo) ebook reader and the KOREADER PDF reader I sideloaded on it from github was way better than the tailor made one it shipped with. HW makers often suck at SW since their dev budget gets eaten away by the HW dev costs and they compensate by skipping on the SW dev side to keep their budget and profit margins in check.
  - Almondsetat 2y ago
    Your examples are misinformed. First of all, you are comparing two desktop environments that have been around for almost the same amount of time. KDE is extremely mature, both because of its age and its popularity. This is not the case with some niche e-ink products. Secondly, you cannot even remotely compare the software needed for document rendering with the one for hand writing. The former is a very mature ecosystem and you can just write a UI on top of muPDF and port it to your platform to have a feature complete solution. The latter instead requires a wealth of expertise in how humans write and draw to develop both the drivers and the user land applications. Take the Librem phone or the PinePhone as exampleS. it took nothing to port Firefox or GIMP or DOOM to them, and yet the feel of their UI is terrible. Writing your PIN to unlock them lags, inputs are laggy, moving across the UI is slow and buggy. They are worse than the first iphone from almost 20 years ago, even though plenty of good developers have worked on them
  - SSLy 2y ago
    Ah yeah, that gobshite pdf reader shipped with kobos is adobe's digital editions. Incredible ass jank with bad concept (it's for their DRM). OTOH Kobo's Epub reader is very nice, if you convert your books to kepub – use callibre.
bluGill 2y ago
You mean like the pine note? https://pine64.org/devices/pinenote/ https://pine64.org/devices/pinenote/ The hardware is easy for China, but there is a lot of software that doesn't exist yet, or it exists but is too slow to be usable. If you want to work on that software, then the pinenote is a great deal, order one and get busing writing/optimizing code. If you want a tablet that works the ReMarkable has been around for years.
- diggan 2y ago
  To be honest (and as a reMarkable 2 owner), the software side of reMarkable isn't a "out of this world" experience, it's basically "just enough" to do it's job but not more than that.
  - pjerem 2y ago
    For me, it’s not even enough. My remarkable is sleeping in a drawer. I totally understand the "it’s just a notebook and nothing else" limitation. Like : ok, you can’t do anything else than using it as a notebook. Why not. It’s how it’s marketed and I bought it for that. My issues comes from the fact that it’s actually a really dumb notebook where it could have been a "better" notebook. I mean, it’s 2024 and they still don’t allow you to create links between pages. And the global ergonomics are pretty barebones too. Navigation is slow. Ok, it’s e-ink, e-ink is slow at rendering full pages. So maybe at least don’t make your UX be a succession of screens ? It’s like designers forgot that you can create interfaces that don’t require to redraw the entire screen between each action. This thing is both a really beautiful and enjoyable object (the writing feeling is truly incredible) and a daily frustration of intentional limitations and laziness.
- password4321 2y ago
  For those curious, the PineNote is currently $399 + shipping, but out of stock (and has been for some time, not even mentioned on the store home page that includes just about everything else). https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/ https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/
itishappy 2y ago
There's plenty of competition in this space: Kindle Scribe, Boox Note, Supernote X, Koba Libra, Daylight Computer.
- glenngillen 2y ago
  A couple of years in and really happy with my Supernote
lorenzotenti 2y ago
Boox do something similar, with android
mangoparrot 2y ago
"Boox" sort-of does this. slaps android and leaves everything to apps. For completely OSS, pine64 pinenote.
nihzm 2y ago
> with some linux distro with touch support, unlocked bootloader and ssh, powered by a microcontroller with mainline linux support, no fancy apps, no cloud service and no subscription I am also not a fan of the subscription model & pricing scheme but I guess that is how they want to pay back their investors. However, besides this they are (relatively speaking) also a pretty open company with a sizable community on github maitaning a lot of custom tools / applications. They do not provide official support for these modifications, but these tablets are definitely not locked-in like an ipad or impossible to tinker with because of obscure undocumented chinese hardware https://github.com/reMarkable https://github.com/reMarkable https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable
- j6m8 2y ago
  The reMarkable company has been super adversarial to a lot of these tools, and the file standards and API have been moving goalposts for years. MOST of the tools on that Awesome list are defunct because the primary open source tools for getting data to the reMarkable cloud (rmapi and rmapy) are no longer maintained — the primary maintainers both cite reMarkable's moving target API as the final dealbreaker. SUPER sad. I've been hoping to write my own now that the dust has settled, but it's definitely a MAJOR project yet to be done by the FOSS community.
  - mtrovo 2y ago
    I started tinkering with their cloud API and it's not a major work at all to create a client to it, I managed to create a POC uploading and managing files on their cloud in a weekend. I still need to polish it a little bit and make sure I cover all the possible operations but definitely doable.

loughnane 2y ago

I didn't see any announcment, but I'm in the same boat as you. It's honestly the main reason I don't look at other competitors.

squarefoot 2y ago

> I have a remarkable 2 and it's basically a stripped down version of Linux that you can SSH in and install whatever you want on it. Could you for example mount a NFS or CIFS directory on the LAN, then access .PDFs and documents in other formats without signing to any external service? I was looking for something like that and have been waiting for years for the PineNote to become ready, usable and available, but have given up. Unfortunately all readers out there are tied to this or that cloud service subscription, and I would use them only locally. (I call them readers because I don't need the note taking feature; being able to place bookmarks would be more than enough)

mtrovo 2y ago
My guess would be yes when you install KOReader on it.
vessenes 2y ago
Probably. One bit of jank is that the rm2 api names pdfs with descriptor ids, and has a custom directory setup to track inking. I’m not sure if it will load ‘named’ pdfs easily or not, but an alt e reader should. It’s open enough that I ran a Tailscale client node on it for a while. You do get root of a limited but not nerfed Linux machine when you buy one. What you don’t get is any support for maintaining your changes: they wipe most of the os on each update. If you don’t mind a little bash scripting, I think it would be fairly easy to keep modifications synced up. Upshot : expect friction, not locks.