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No X in Brazil? No problem, Brazilians say
- phoronixrly 2y agohttps://archive.is/MrrMp https://archive.is/MrrMp
- vieques 2y agocan we stop saying/writing "formerly known as twitter" - please?! Also, Starlink is overcoming this without an issue.
- phoe-krk 2y ago> can we stop saying/writing "formerly known as twitter" - please?! Why? Elon Musk considers deadnaming to be acceptable, hence Twitter - as the original given name - is here to stay.
- mog_dev 2y agoInteresting take, I'll accept it !
- peutetre 2y ago> Also, Starlink is overcoming this without an issue. Seems like they're having issues: https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/04/starlink_performs_a_180_and/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/04/starlink_performs_a_1...
- macksd 2y agoIt's a terribly unclear name, though. I had no idea what "No X in Brazil" referred to. I had to clink on the article to find out I don't care.
- ceejayoz 2y agoFor now, Starlink still requires nearby ground stations. https://apnews.com/article/brazil-starlink-x-block-compliance-musk-supreme-court-moraes-d09dfe4c6fbfacf303968fe44bcd0ab1 https://apnews.com/article/brazil-starlink-x-block-complianc... > Elon Musk’s satellite-based internet service provider Starlink backtracked Tuesday and said it will comply with a Brazilian Supreme Court justice’s order to block the billionaire’s social media platform, X. > Had Starlink continued to disobey de Moraes by providing access, telecommunications regulator Anatel could eventually have seized equipment from Starlink’s 23 ground stations that ensure the quality of its internet service, Arthur Coimbra, an Anatel board member, said on a video call from his office in Brasilia.
- pezezin 2y agoConsidering how stupid of a name X is, I would say we just keep calling it Twitter and ignore Musk's derranged ideas.
- tracker1 2y agoI generally still call it Twitter. Even if I'm more inclined to agree with more of Musk's statements than not.
- piva00 2y agoStarlink announced they are following the Brazilian Supreme Court decision and blocking Twitter... So they aren't overcoming anything.
- Zigurd 2y agoI think the Starlink constellation still has enough V1 satellites to need ground stations near where they are providing service a lot of the time.
- rsynnott 2y agoAbsent that, it looks like someone just forgot to fill in a template; it's a _terrible_ name, perhaps the worst bit of naming from an ergonomics point of view since Google decided to create an un-google-able programming language.
- vieques 2y ago[flagged]
- jll29 2y agoX = X11 R6 X = Twitter X = variable in mathematics Personally, I think the name should be changed back.
- bartread 2y agoI agree, and suspect the majority of people do. There's another article on the front page at the moment about grepability as an important metric for codebases. Similarly, I think Googleability is an important metric for company, service, and product names: X ain't it (although fortunately I have little cause to Google anything related to X/Twitter on a regular basis).
- amiga386 2y agoRocket Daddy thinks so too: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830147680468607423 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1830147680468607423 "POV: VPN companies after Brazil banned Twitter" Banned what now, Elon?
- rascul 2y agoI just never stopped calling it Twitter. Everyone already knows the name and twitter.com still works.
- karmakaze 2y agoOnce we think of X as Ex (and forget about it entirely), we'll have one less to worry about.
- null_investor 2y agoIf you click around in X for a few minutes, I doubt you won't find nazi propaganda or downright illegal content. The content moderation aspect just doesn't exist. It'll soon become yet another 4chan. What I'm really surprised about is how X is still operating in the US or here in Europe.
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- bartread 2y agoI feel like this is a really different experience to my own current experience of Twitter. My timeline notably isn't full of right-wing propaganda, whereas I know plenty of others who complain that this is the case, and who have even left because of it. I don't understand what is causing people to have these really different experiences with the product, especially given the relatively minimal controls over timeline content that are available (basically follow/unfollow/block). It's odd.
- rascul 2y agoTwitter is filled with sports stuff for me, nothing nazi and almost nothing political. I use it exclusively for sports stuff, though.
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago> I don't understand what is causing people to have these really different experiences -- given the relatively minimal controls over timeline content I offer that the purpose of exTwitter's algorithms is to choose different content for different people - and insufficient controls keep user consent from interfering with that. As to why exTw algos choose what is chosen: The purpose of black boxes seems to be making sure users never, ever learn why.
- dminik 2y agoI went to check for myself. The posts for me seem to be split 50/50 between tech content from people I'm following and raging debates about whether Churchill is responsible for WW2 (due to some podcast with Tucker Carlson). As you might guess the second one is full of literal Nazi propaganda and Hitler apologists. The rest is filled out with people dunking on Elon. My guess is that if I didn't have him blocked, his stuff would show up there too.
- nunobrito 2y agoLots of FUD against X. That article should be considered more of an opinion than actual news.
- tambourine_man 2y agoBrazil is a meme machine. A trendsetter with disproportional importance. Xitter was already a struggling, much duller shadow of its former self. This is another huge blow, perhaps the last.
- Zigurd 2y agoProbably not the final blow, but Twitter will lose a bit more ad revenue in the same week CBS reported that The World Bank called BS on Elon's claims about content moderation and a few other ad buyers followed them out, and Twitter's MAUs will probably take a measurable hit. Elon suing Media Matters makes leaving that much more front of mind. Better to leave while Elon is distracted.
- adamsb6 2y agoWild to see a newspaper so mercurial about censorship.
- taylodl 2y agoIs banning a platform censorship? Wouldn't censorship involve banning specific posts on the platform?
- slowmovintarget 2y agoThe ban is a direct result of refusal to censor, so this is 100% about censorship. Recap: Judge requests censoring, X says "no," judge says censor or I'll throw your reps in jail, X withdraws reps, judge bans X (and started going after StarLink, SpaceX, and anything Elon's touched).
- taylodl 2y agoYour summary is too hand-wavy and misses key points. The request wasn't for X to filter posts, which is what most people consider to be censoring. The request was to block certain individuals. X refused, the judge ordered the entire platform be blocked, X appealed to the Brazilian Supreme Court who in turn upheld the judge's decision to block the entire platform in Brazil. You have to follow a country's laws when doing business in that country. As the judge noted, and I'm definitely paraphrasing here but it gets the sentiment across, who the hell does Elon Musk think he is?
- taylodl 2y agoAlso, Musk isn't telling the whole story https://apnews.com/article/brazil-twitter-elon-musk-x-censorship-f51dc67d51c8f5a1cf152ba467f44a8f https://apnews.com/article/brazil-twitter-elon-musk-x-censor...
- matheusmoreira 2y ago> The request was to block certain individuals. Yes. Because of the political posts they made. Also known as censorship. Which is unconstitutional in Brazil. Whose constitution goes out of its way to say that political censorship of any kind is illegal. There is no problem with Musk deciding to ban something on his website. The problem is some judge illegally compelling him to do so.
- walrushunter 2y agoWow, I can't believe the Washington Post is supporting censorship again. It's almost like "Democracy does in darkness" was a complete lie.
- ceejayoz 2y agoWhere in this article does the Washington Post take an organizational stance on the block?
- ripjaygn 2y agoCherry picking anecdotes. There's a lot of people missing X as evidenced in this article https://www.yahoo.com/news/brazilian-judge-suspends-x-platform-200042810.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/brazilian-judge-suspends-x-platfo...
- ceejayoz 2y agoThat article does the exact same thing. The WaPo article at least cites some actual stats: > In 2022, only 3 percent of Brazilians cited the social network as their preferred location to consume political news, the area in which Twitter was once strongest, according to a survey by the Institute for Democracy and Democratization of Communication.
- ripjaygn 2y ago> That article does the exact same thing. So you agree the WaPo article is crap? Because it uses anecdotes to prove a negative, while the article I linked disproves the WaPo by showing that some Brazilians do care. You can't prove a negative with anecdotes but you can prove a positive.
- ceejayoz 2y ago> So you agree the WaPo article is crap? No, I'd suggest reading the next line of my comment. It "at least cites some actual stats" rather than quoting Cardi B and the admins of a Timothy Chalamet fan page.
- EcommerceFlow 2y agoWhy is it that modern liberal ideology is so censorship heavy? I want all of my "political enemies" to be on Twitter, I want the heads of Iran, North Korea, etc to be on twitter, I want "misinformation" to be on Twitter because the "solution" to all of the above is infinitely worse. From what I've seen on new-twitter, no speech liberals used to say is now banned. It's just been opened up to the right, which I guess is the problem?
- ceejayoz 2y ago> From what I've seen on new-twitter, no speech liberals used to say is now banned. Tweeting the mere word "cisgender" will get your post's visibility limited for "hateful conduct".
- piva00 2y ago> It's just been opened up to the right, which I guess is the problem? You really don't see any issue with giving access to hate speech through a mass media platform? What is your suggestion for a solution when Nazis and other hate groups can boost their messaging on a massive scale? If you say "better education" or "let the marketplace of ideas work" I have a bridge to sell you.
- EcommerceFlow 2y agoHate speech is an arbitrary term used to censor political opponents, as there's no logical way to discern what is and isn't hate speech. I used to think that was obvious, and even others like Noam Chomsky agree with me, but I guess not. So no I don't see any issue, I'd prefer everyone have equal access to free speech, world wide. On a slight separate thought, I've always wondered how much of a minority I am in that thinking these days. 10%? 5? 1? It's literally that "Yes, you are all wrong" meme come to life.
- piva00 2y ago> Hate speech is an arbitrary term used to censor political opponents, as there's no logical way to discern what is and isn't hate speech. I think the Cambridge dictionary definition is a good starting point, even if it doesn't have a consistent meaning across every facet of political/social discussion: > public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation If your speech expresses hate or encourages violence it shouldn't have a platform, no matter if you are a progressive hating on conservatives or any other group of people. Don't you agree that's at least a good baseline to start curtailing this on mass media platforms? I'd prefer a world where people calling for the death of Jews, black people, conservatives, white people, whatever group it is to not have a way to reach big cohorts of the population. > So no I don't see any issue, I'd prefer everyone have equal access to free speech, world wide. And that's where we diverge, dogmatic approaches like this don't leave any room for discussion or arguments, you have a belief which is not too dissimilar to a religious one... In reality allowing absolute free speech including people calling and encouraging the death of others on a massive scale is detrimental to civilisation. Quick edit: you can have free speech, it doesn't mean it's free from consequences. One of those consequences is that hateful speech might not be allowed in mass media platforms, you can still spread your hate speech person-to-person, that's not a crime in many places.
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- MrBurnsKin 2y ago"I don't care about censoring opinions. I don't have any anyway"