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No US prisoner is forced to work in any meaningful sense of the word "forced". They can just not work, they won't get beaten for it, they won't get killed for i

No US prisoner is forced to work in any meaningful sense of the word "forced". They can just not work, they won't get beaten for it, they won't get killed for it. In some states, they are required to work. It's not the same as being forced to work. Being a criminal does not entitled them to free room and board on the taxpayer dime, in fact in a just world, society would be entitled to restitution from the criminal. There is no better time and place to be a criminal in the US than today. Criminals are being coddled, which is why most Democrat cities are so crime-ridden.

waciki 2y ago
> No US prisoner is forced to work in any meaningful sense of the word "forced". "Refusal to work can be met with solitary confinement and physical beatings" https://web.archive.org/web/20240224172720/https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/01/louisiana-prison-labor-ballot-slavery/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240224172720/https://www.washi...
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  Corporal punishment in prisons is not legal in the US[1][2][3]. Prolonged solitary confinement is being used for people who do not refuse to work as well, even for people who have not been convicted[1]. You may think it's inhumane, but it not slavery. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_v._Pelzer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_v._Pelzer [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_v._McMillian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_v._McMillian [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_v._Gamble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_v._Gamble [4] https://eu.recordonline.com/story/news/local/2021/07/19/capitol-riot-suspect-edward-lang-protests-six-months-solitary-confinement/8010708002/ https://eu.recordonline.com/story/news/local/2021/07/19/capi...
razakel 2y ago
>In some states, they are required to work. >It's not the same as being forced to work. That's exactly the same thing.
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  No it's not. There is no physical or legal coercion, i.e. no force, i.e. not forced.
  - razakel 2y ago
    What happens if you refuse?
    - flanked-evergl 2y ago
      They may lose privileges and good time credits, and it may impact their parole. They do not lose rights as one may happen when one is convicted of a crime.
      - batch12 2y ago
        > They do not lose rights as one may happen when one is convicted of a crime. So you get more time in prison, losing all rights, which is what happens when you're convicted of a crime? Just because you don't want there to be legal slavery doesn't mean there isn't legal slavery.
        flanked-evergl 2y ago
        Incorrect. You don't get more time in prison. The sentence is the sentence, and refusing to work does not increase the sentence.
        batch12 2y ago
        You're playing with words. Early release means less time spent in prison.
      - razakel 2y ago
        In what world is "work or we'll make your life even more miserable" not coercion?

waciki 2y ago

> No US prisoner is forced to work in any meaningful sense of the word "forced". "Refusal to work can be met with solitary confinement and physical beatings" https://web.archive.org/web/20240224172720/https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/01/louisiana-prison-labor-ballot-slavery/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240224172720/https://www.washi...

flanked-evergl 2y ago
Corporal punishment in prisons is not legal in the US[1][2][3]. Prolonged solitary confinement is being used for people who do not refuse to work as well, even for people who have not been convicted[1]. You may think it's inhumane, but it not slavery. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_v._Pelzer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_v._Pelzer [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_v._McMillian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_v._McMillian [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_v._Gamble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_v._Gamble [4] https://eu.recordonline.com/story/news/local/2021/07/19/capitol-riot-suspect-edward-lang-protests-six-months-solitary-confinement/8010708002/ https://eu.recordonline.com/story/news/local/2021/07/19/capi...

razakel 2y ago

>In some states, they are required to work. >It's not the same as being forced to work. That's exactly the same thing.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
No it's not. There is no physical or legal coercion, i.e. no force, i.e. not forced.
- razakel 2y ago
  What happens if you refuse?
  - flanked-evergl 2y ago
    They may lose privileges and good time credits, and it may impact their parole. They do not lose rights as one may happen when one is convicted of a crime.
    - batch12 2y ago
      > They do not lose rights as one may happen when one is convicted of a crime. So you get more time in prison, losing all rights, which is what happens when you're convicted of a crime? Just because you don't want there to be legal slavery doesn't mean there isn't legal slavery.
      - flanked-evergl 2y ago
        Incorrect. You don't get more time in prison. The sentence is the sentence, and refusing to work does not increase the sentence.
        batch12 2y ago
        You're playing with words. Early release means less time spent in prison.
    - razakel 2y ago
      In what world is "work or we'll make your life even more miserable" not coercion?