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I visited the supercomputer centre at UEindhoven back in the 1990s. All the hardware was up on the first floor, which of course meant serious load bearing const

I visited the supercomputer centre at UEindhoven back in the 1990s. All the hardware was up on the first floor, which of course meant serious load bearing construction. But this is why.

WJW 2y ago
Why though? Eindhoven is about 17 meters above sea level, and the Dommel seems hardly big enough to pose a serious flood risk. (It obviously does flood every once in a while, but usually not near the university area)
- jsiepkes 2y ago
  Ironically enough the parts that flood the most in the Netherlands are the parts which are not below sea level. Just this week Doetinchem experienced some high water due to heavy rainfall [1]. In the south-east and east they sometimes also have problems with the amount of water the rivers over there have to process. In both cases the problem is the river can't process the water fast enough. The parts below sea-level are mostly all in the delta area. Meaning there is little risk of rivers overflowing since they are at their widest in the delta. And as for rainfall; That just means pump water harder out of the "tub" then normal. As for the threat of sea-water in these areas, that's were the Delta Werken[2] are for. [1] https://nos.nl/artikel/2535587-noodweer-leidt-tot-overlast-water-weggepompt-in-ziekenhuis-doetinchem https://nos.nl/artikel/2535587-noodweer-leidt-tot-overlast-w... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works
eigenspace 2y ago
For North Americans reading this, the "first floor" is not the ground floor in the Netherlands (where Eindhoven is)-- they count floors from zero.
- alfiopuglisi 2y ago
  Not just the Netherlands, most of Europe counts floors like this: ground, first, second, etc.
  - eigenspace 2y ago
    Sure, but not everywhere, and I was just addressing the specific example.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > Not just the Netherlands, most of Europe counts floors like this: ground, first, second, etc. I think it wildly differs all around Europe. In Spain for example, if someone says "1st floor" it can be two or three floors above the actual ground floor, if there is a "Entresuelo" or "Principal", and you start counting after those. Actual ground floor is "bajo". On the other hand you have the "atico" (attic) which is the top level floor, unless there is a "sobre atico" ("above the attic"), so just because you live in the attic doesn't mean you live on the top floor. Then every region can have their own convention, or even difference in neighborhoods in the same city.
    - keybored 2y ago
      They count ground, first in the country in Europe where GP is from. In turn they generalize based on nothing to most-of-Europe. Call it the Ugly European effect. https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-ugly-american-programmer/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-ugly-american-programmer/
  - bacheaul 2y ago
    and Australia...
  - Tor3 2y ago
    I'm not sure how many countries in Europe count like that, the online information is totally unreliable. For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/mvnkja/floor_numbering_schemes_per_country_original/#lightbox https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/mvnkja/floor_numbe... That map is absolutely incorrect for a bunch of countries, e.g. the Nordic ones.
  - tway_GdBRwW 2y ago
    I've heard even some programmers like 0-based indexing. Crazy!
- enaaem 2y ago
  In Dutch we say “verdieping” which roughly interprets as an additional floor above the ground floor. It originally referred to attics with deeper floors: https://onzetaal.nl/taalloket/verdieping-verhoging https://onzetaal.nl/taalloket/verdieping-verhoging
- chrisandchris 2y ago
  I would say it's not counting from zero but it's a "ground floor" (that's basically were your door is) and the floor above is the first floor. There's no "zeroeth floor".
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  The us must be against this, I was just in a us building where the basement was -1 on the elevator and the main entryway one floor up was 2…

I visited the supercomputer centre at UEindhoven back in the 1990s. All the hardware was up on the first floor, which of course meant serious load bearing construction. But this is why.

WJW 2y ago

Why though? Eindhoven is about 17 meters above sea level, and the Dommel seems hardly big enough to pose a serious flood risk. (It obviously does flood every once in a while, but usually not near the university area)

jsiepkes 2y ago
Ironically enough the parts that flood the most in the Netherlands are the parts which are not below sea level. Just this week Doetinchem experienced some high water due to heavy rainfall [1]. In the south-east and east they sometimes also have problems with the amount of water the rivers over there have to process. In both cases the problem is the river can't process the water fast enough. The parts below sea-level are mostly all in the delta area. Meaning there is little risk of rivers overflowing since they are at their widest in the delta. And as for rainfall; That just means pump water harder out of the "tub" then normal. As for the threat of sea-water in these areas, that's were the Delta Werken[2] are for. [1] https://nos.nl/artikel/2535587-noodweer-leidt-tot-overlast-water-weggepompt-in-ziekenhuis-doetinchem https://nos.nl/artikel/2535587-noodweer-leidt-tot-overlast-w... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works

eigenspace 2y ago

For North Americans reading this, the "first floor" is not the ground floor in the Netherlands (where Eindhoven is)-- they count floors from zero.

alfiopuglisi 2y ago
Not just the Netherlands, most of Europe counts floors like this: ground, first, second, etc.
- eigenspace 2y ago
  Sure, but not everywhere, and I was just addressing the specific example.
- diggan 2y ago
  > Not just the Netherlands, most of Europe counts floors like this: ground, first, second, etc. I think it wildly differs all around Europe. In Spain for example, if someone says "1st floor" it can be two or three floors above the actual ground floor, if there is a "Entresuelo" or "Principal", and you start counting after those. Actual ground floor is "bajo". On the other hand you have the "atico" (attic) which is the top level floor, unless there is a "sobre atico" ("above the attic"), so just because you live in the attic doesn't mean you live on the top floor. Then every region can have their own convention, or even difference in neighborhoods in the same city.
  - keybored 2y ago
    They count ground, first in the country in Europe where GP is from. In turn they generalize based on nothing to most-of-Europe. Call it the Ugly European effect. https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-ugly-american-programmer/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-ugly-american-programmer/
- bacheaul 2y ago
  and Australia...
- Tor3 2y ago
  I'm not sure how many countries in Europe count like that, the online information is totally unreliable. For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/mvnkja/floor_numbering_schemes_per_country_original/#lightbox https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/mvnkja/floor_numbe... That map is absolutely incorrect for a bunch of countries, e.g. the Nordic ones.
- tway_GdBRwW 2y ago
  I've heard even some programmers like 0-based indexing. Crazy!
enaaem 2y ago
In Dutch we say “verdieping” which roughly interprets as an additional floor above the ground floor. It originally referred to attics with deeper floors: https://onzetaal.nl/taalloket/verdieping-verhoging https://onzetaal.nl/taalloket/verdieping-verhoging
chrisandchris 2y ago
I would say it's not counting from zero but it's a "ground floor" (that's basically were your door is) and the floor above is the first floor. There's no "zeroeth floor".
mensetmanusman 2y ago
The us must be against this, I was just in a us building where the basement was -1 on the elevator and the main entryway one floor up was 2…