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I don't really understand what the fuzz about fast boot is. Why can't most people just wait a few seconds? It's not like boot still takes minutes. I almost alw

I don't really understand what the fuzz about fast boot is. Why can't most people just wait a few seconds? It's not like boot still takes minutes. I almost always shut down my laptop. This serves me two purposes: 1) It saves power 2) I always start with a fresh session, keeping distractions at a minimum and having habits to "finish" the current task I am working at. (I do the same with browsers for example. Here I even less frequently save my session). There are a few exceptions where I know I'll just take a quick break and resume work shortly, but they are rare. No, you don't have to have everything always available within milliseconds. No, I don't need notifications always on (so I guess I agree with the author here). But maybe just different tastes, different habits. I don't know if this is true, but I talked about a broader topic along those lines with my therapist recently and she was like: 'We invent all these smart things to save time and have more for ourselves, but in reality people have less time, because then they just want to put more tasks into the same timespan'. I have absolutely no idea if there is any truth to that, but it feels true on my empirical observations. Embrace slowness!

jraph 2y ago
> 1) It saves power Shutting down and booting are intensive operations, it's likely that for short enough periods of time, sleep is actually more power-efficient if it works well. I don't have numbers though and with SDDs and fast boot times, maybe booting is way less power hungry than before in the end. Can't argue with 2) of course.
andai 2y ago
#2 I have a Python script to close all my open windows.
ddmf 2y ago
The main pushback we get is from our floor planners who work offsite in customer's homes - that extra 2 minutes or so while it boots from scratch apparently seems like an eternity when you're in a dirty and hazardous environment.
- BlueTemplar 2y ago
  If their computer(s) needs a whopping 2 minutes to boot from scratch, they need to switch to an SSD (or switch to an OS that doesn't suck). Unless this is about setting up some kind of custom work environment on top of the boot ?
mr_mitm 2y ago
After hibernating or shutting down my laptop, I need to enter the password for the disk encryption again. It's a long, secure password, and I hate entering it. Now that my new laptop does not support S3 anymore and the battery does not last one night in S0ix, I have to enter it every morning, and I constantly mistype because I don't see what I'm typing. I'm considering changing it to something less secure because of this. TPM without PIN is not allowed by my employer, and TMP with PIN is not supported on Linux AFAIK.
- bmicraft 2y ago
  TPM with pin is definitely supported[1] by systemd-cryptenroll on linux: > It is possible to require a PIN to be entered in addition to the TPM state being correct. Simply add the option --tpm2-with-pin=yes to the command above and enter the PIN when prompted. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-cryptenroll#Trusted_Platform_Module https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-cryptenroll#Trusted...
  - mr_mitm 2y ago
    Thanks, maybe I was just too stupid then. I messed around with dracut and gave up when the system stopped booting. Fixed it while cursing all this complexity and got back to actual work.
Woeps 2y ago
2, I shutdown my personal laptop because I don't care having a blankslate when booting up. But regarding the work laptop, Sometimes it's nice to have stuff ready when you're oncall. I have my applications/windows pre-prepared so that I don't have to go trough a thousands hoops in the middle of the night to resolved that priority 1 incident. I understand your point, but I also can see what's the fuzz about. If the fuzz is legit is not for me to say.

jraph 2y ago

> 1) It saves power Shutting down and booting are intensive operations, it's likely that for short enough periods of time, sleep is actually more power-efficient if it works well. I don't have numbers though and with SDDs and fast boot times, maybe booting is way less power hungry than before in the end. Can't argue with 2) of course.

andai 2y ago

#2 I have a Python script to close all my open windows.

ddmf 2y ago

The main pushback we get is from our floor planners who work offsite in customer's homes - that extra 2 minutes or so while it boots from scratch apparently seems like an eternity when you're in a dirty and hazardous environment.

BlueTemplar 2y ago
If their computer(s) needs a whopping 2 minutes to boot from scratch, they need to switch to an SSD (or switch to an OS that doesn't suck). Unless this is about setting up some kind of custom work environment on top of the boot ?

mr_mitm 2y ago

After hibernating or shutting down my laptop, I need to enter the password for the disk encryption again. It's a long, secure password, and I hate entering it. Now that my new laptop does not support S3 anymore and the battery does not last one night in S0ix, I have to enter it every morning, and I constantly mistype because I don't see what I'm typing. I'm considering changing it to something less secure because of this. TPM without PIN is not allowed by my employer, and TMP with PIN is not supported on Linux AFAIK.

bmicraft 2y ago
TPM with pin is definitely supported[1] by systemd-cryptenroll on linux: > It is possible to require a PIN to be entered in addition to the TPM state being correct. Simply add the option --tpm2-with-pin=yes to the command above and enter the PIN when prompted. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-cryptenroll#Trusted_Platform_Module https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-cryptenroll#Trusted...
- mr_mitm 2y ago
  Thanks, maybe I was just too stupid then. I messed around with dracut and gave up when the system stopped booting. Fixed it while cursing all this complexity and got back to actual work.

Woeps 2y ago

2, I shutdown my personal laptop because I don't care having a blankslate when booting up. But regarding the work laptop, Sometimes it's nice to have stuff ready when you're oncall. I have my applications/windows pre-prepared so that I don't have to go trough a thousands hoops in the middle of the night to resolved that priority 1 incident. I understand your point, but I also can see what's the fuzz about. If the fuzz is legit is not for me to say.