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Or maybe I just want my local email cache to be reasonably up-to-date when I take my laptop out of my backpack. Why is that such a bad thing?

haspok 2y ago
Good for you. But I don't want that. At the moment, the user cannot choose, but is forced to be always "on".
- quotemstr 2y ago
  The user can choose to use operating systems and applications that let him configure which apps get to run in the background and at which times. You don't want email updates while asleep? Configure your OS to implement this policy. There's no reason that hardware makers should continue to support multiple and legacy sleep modes like S3 just because OS vendors don't give users appropriate policy knobs in software.
  - haspok 2y ago
    Why is S3 "legacy"? Just because Microsoft says so? When it is working, S3 sleep covers my needs perfectly. And it is not about email updates. I don't want my laptop to do anything while in sleep. It's that simple.
  - michaelt 2y ago
    You're right. Why should hardware vendors target operating systems that exist? Sure, S0 on Windows makes your laptop turn on in your bag for impossible-to-disable updates, causing it to overheat or the battery to run down. And no laptops on the market will S0 on Linux without running down the battery in less than 24 hours. Why should hardware vendors mollycoddle users who make the foolish decision to use either Windows or Linux?
adezxc 2y ago
Because the companies making the laptop recommend you to shutdown the laptop before puttint it into your backpack. [1] - https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/faq-modern-standby/647fa2d5f4ccf8a8de87e727#fireglass_params&clear_tab_id=true https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/faq-mode... EDIT: Added source cited in the article
- quotemstr 2y ago
  That's CYA nonsense, up there with "Q-tips aren't for cleaning ears". (Yes, they are.) Nobody actually shuts down his laptop before chucking it in his bag.
  - rcxdude 2y ago
    They don't, but the problem is the laptop manufacturers and/or Microsoft have fucked up the implementation sufficiently that it's no longer a safe operation.
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > Nobody actually shuts down his laptop before chucking it in his bag. I do. I had a few poor experiences with laptops accidentally turning on while in the bag between 1995 and 2010. After the last time, in 2010, when the thing started beeping due to overheating, I started the habit of shutting down/hibernating completely instead of just closing the lid and popping it into the bag.
    - creshal 2y ago
      Laptops still occasionally do that. I'm kind of impressed that they manage to keep chugging even when the lack of airflow keeps them at >90°C for the entire time it takes for either me to notice that they turned back on, or drain their battery.
  - okasaki 2y ago
    I learned to turn my XPS 17 off after it almost cooked itself in my backpack a few times. What an awful laptop.
zelphirkalt 2y ago
So much better to have the battery drain in sleep mode, than clicking "get messages" button a single time once you use your laptop again.

haspok 2y ago

Good for you. But I don't want that. At the moment, the user cannot choose, but is forced to be always "on".

quotemstr 2y ago
The user can choose to use operating systems and applications that let him configure which apps get to run in the background and at which times. You don't want email updates while asleep? Configure your OS to implement this policy. There's no reason that hardware makers should continue to support multiple and legacy sleep modes like S3 just because OS vendors don't give users appropriate policy knobs in software.
- haspok 2y ago
  Why is S3 "legacy"? Just because Microsoft says so? When it is working, S3 sleep covers my needs perfectly. And it is not about email updates. I don't want my laptop to do anything while in sleep. It's that simple.
- michaelt 2y ago
  You're right. Why should hardware vendors target operating systems that exist? Sure, S0 on Windows makes your laptop turn on in your bag for impossible-to-disable updates, causing it to overheat or the battery to run down. And no laptops on the market will S0 on Linux without running down the battery in less than 24 hours. Why should hardware vendors mollycoddle users who make the foolish decision to use either Windows or Linux?

adezxc 2y ago

Because the companies making the laptop recommend you to shutdown the laptop before puttint it into your backpack. [1] - https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/faq-modern-standby/647fa2d5f4ccf8a8de87e727#fireglass_params&clear_tab_id=true https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/faq-mode... EDIT: Added source cited in the article

quotemstr 2y ago
That's CYA nonsense, up there with "Q-tips aren't for cleaning ears". (Yes, they are.) Nobody actually shuts down his laptop before chucking it in his bag.
- rcxdude 2y ago
  They don't, but the problem is the laptop manufacturers and/or Microsoft have fucked up the implementation sufficiently that it's no longer a safe operation.
- lelanthran 2y ago
  > Nobody actually shuts down his laptop before chucking it in his bag. I do. I had a few poor experiences with laptops accidentally turning on while in the bag between 1995 and 2010. After the last time, in 2010, when the thing started beeping due to overheating, I started the habit of shutting down/hibernating completely instead of just closing the lid and popping it into the bag.
  - creshal 2y ago
    Laptops still occasionally do that. I'm kind of impressed that they manage to keep chugging even when the lack of airflow keeps them at >90°C for the entire time it takes for either me to notice that they turned back on, or drain their battery.
- okasaki 2y ago
  I learned to turn my XPS 17 off after it almost cooked itself in my backpack a few times. What an awful laptop.

zelphirkalt 2y ago

So much better to have the battery drain in sleep mode, than clicking "get messages" button a single time once you use your laptop again.