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I struggled to get through the top half of this post, which is about various Thinkpad model types that the author had. But the second part, where the author exp

I struggled to get through the top half of this post, which is about various Thinkpad model types that the author had. But the second part, where the author explains the various sleep modes and what it means, was very informative & worth a read! I've personally always solved this problem by enabling "Hibernate" (not sure if that's a Windows-specific term) which writes the entire RAM contents to a file and then shuts down completely. The downside is that it takes a few seconds to boot (impressively few seconds on a modern machine, actually), but still, the laptop doesn't come on instantly. But I like knowing that there's no chance the laptop somehow turns on and overheats/drains in the backpack, because it's completely off. This doesn't take away from the author's rant at all, the idea that a sleep mode would need to support notifications or updates (!) is absurd. A good sleep mode would need to only support "minimum power usage" and "fast wake-up" and nothing else. But with MS's usual mix of excellence and absurd stupidity, that appears to not exist, and "hibernate" is to me an acceptable compromise. My understanding is that Macbooks have gotten this right for decades already, pretty nuts that PCs lag behind so much.

spyke112 2y ago
Pretty anoying when you have more than 64G of memory though.
- jll29 2y ago
  To date, I have always use 16 GB RAM on laptops, and "hard work" is done on a remote server via SSH. This also alleviates the problem of sync'ing between multople laptops, as I use both a MacBook Air (lighter + better mobility: wake-up, WiFi, handling media) and a Lenovo X1 (Linux environment for software development and research).
- skrebbel 2y ago
  Yep that's true. It's impressively fast on my brand new 32GB HP Spectre though. Side-rant: It's nuts how hard it is to find a good laptop that has 64G RAM, let alone "more than 64G" as you cite. I finally thought I found one in a Thinkpad X1 2-in-1, but then it just had terrible build quality, broken speakers (low rumbling sound, unfixable even after a repair and a replacement), badly working components (eg fingerprint reader) etc. I ended up returning it. The HP is a full 1000 euros cheaper (!), and it's better in every way (incl processor speed) except the smaller RAM. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
  - rollcat 2y ago
    > Side-rant: It's nuts how hard it is to find a good laptop that has 64G RAM [...] Like this one? Found it in ~30s https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch-space-black-apple-m3-max-with-14-core-cpu-and-30-core-gpu-36gb-memory-1tb# https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch-space... > terrible build quality, broken speakers [...], badly working components [...] There was a dark time in Apple's lineup (2015-2020) when they ran hot, the keyboard was widely considered terrible, battery time was unimpressive, and the lack of ports forced everyone to carry half a dozen dongles everywhere... These times are gone. > The HP is a full 1000 euros cheaper Oh true, Macbooks do seem expensive, until you consider actual value. If "an actual computer" is the primary tool of your trade, I'm 100% convinced it's good ROI to invest in your own comfort/productivity/peace of mind.
    - skrebbel 2y ago
      I'd buy a mac overnight if it had a touch screen and a proper OS
  - spyke112 2y ago
    Hibernate is not just for laptops though. I have a workstation with 128G of memory, and it’s annoying that the file allocates the full 128G even though i may only be using like 32G. I mean SSD’s have become cheaper but still..
tda 2y ago
This is one the primary reasons I use a MacBook (the other being the trackpad). Instant and reliable on/off when I close/open the lid, without ever worrying about it is something I just take for granted. If I need a mouse and do a controlled shutdown/boot I might as well use a desktop.
- djxfade 2y ago
  Modern Mac's use a very similar sleep state, where they can still receive notifications and perform simple background tasks.
  - jbverschoor 2y ago
    Except that actually works
    - djxfade 2y ago
      Yes definetly. Apple's implementation is solid.
    - glandium 2y ago
      For a value of work that leaves you with no battery after a few days, while older Intel macs would last literal months.
      - joshstrange 2y ago
        That’s interesting, I have the exact opposite experience. My Intel MBP would keep running or doing something in my backpack such that the battery would be lower and it would be hot. It wasn’t always and the Intel MBP worked better than any windows computer I had used before it but still noticeable. Sometimes after not using it for a day, closed and unplugged, it would be dead. In contrast, my M-chip MBP never gets hot and the battery is reminiscent of my iPad. I used to stress about my power cord and making sure I had it with me, I still always carry one because I like being prepared but I don’t have to use it hardly ever away from home.
      - 2y ago
Lvl999Noob 2y ago
I used to be able to just close the lid on my laptop and forget about it for days. Nowadays with the new laptop provided by my employer, if I close the lid wrong, it doesn't even go to sleep and the battery drains completely (which is... understandable, I guess, since it didn't go to sleep) but even if I do all the rituals and it goes to sleep, the battery still drains away within a few hours. I can't full charge my laptop at the end of the workday, keep my VS and stuff open, and just the laptop to sleep. I have to shut it down properly and then start everything back up again the next morning.
- soco 2y ago
  I noticed that my HP only really goes to sleep if I close the lid WHEN UNPLUGGED (Windows settings get ignored or whatever reason). In case other laptops work the same, glad to be of help :)
  - orphea 2y ago
    The same thing happens to my work Lenovo ThinkPad laptop. PS. A related video from LTT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c
    - devilbunny 2y ago
      Thanks for that link. My ThinkPad X1 Carbon (gen 7) BIOS supported choosing Windows 10 or Linux sleep mode - I switched to "Linux mode" and now I have S3 sleep. We'll see if that fixes the issue. I've battled this for a long time. The prospect of having my laptop be and stay charged is exciting.
  - nine_k 2y ago
    It makes sense, because one of the modes of laptop use is to attach external display, keyboard, etc, along with power (2 or even 1 USB-C cable), close the lid, and work.
    - soco 2y ago
BlueTemplar 2y ago
The article links to a detailed description of the different states : https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_an...

spyke112 2y ago

Pretty anoying when you have more than 64G of memory though.

jll29 2y ago
To date, I have always use 16 GB RAM on laptops, and "hard work" is done on a remote server via SSH. This also alleviates the problem of sync'ing between multople laptops, as I use both a MacBook Air (lighter + better mobility: wake-up, WiFi, handling media) and a Lenovo X1 (Linux environment for software development and research).
skrebbel 2y ago
Yep that's true. It's impressively fast on my brand new 32GB HP Spectre though. Side-rant: It's nuts how hard it is to find a good laptop that has 64G RAM, let alone "more than 64G" as you cite. I finally thought I found one in a Thinkpad X1 2-in-1, but then it just had terrible build quality, broken speakers (low rumbling sound, unfixable even after a repair and a replacement), badly working components (eg fingerprint reader) etc. I ended up returning it. The HP is a full 1000 euros cheaper (!), and it's better in every way (incl processor speed) except the smaller RAM. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
- rollcat 2y ago
  > Side-rant: It's nuts how hard it is to find a good laptop that has 64G RAM [...] Like this one? Found it in ~30s https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch-space-black-apple-m3-max-with-14-core-cpu-and-30-core-gpu-36gb-memory-1tb# https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch-space... > terrible build quality, broken speakers [...], badly working components [...] There was a dark time in Apple's lineup (2015-2020) when they ran hot, the keyboard was widely considered terrible, battery time was unimpressive, and the lack of ports forced everyone to carry half a dozen dongles everywhere... These times are gone. > The HP is a full 1000 euros cheaper Oh true, Macbooks do seem expensive, until you consider actual value. If "an actual computer" is the primary tool of your trade, I'm 100% convinced it's good ROI to invest in your own comfort/productivity/peace of mind.
  - skrebbel 2y ago
    I'd buy a mac overnight if it had a touch screen and a proper OS
- spyke112 2y ago
  Hibernate is not just for laptops though. I have a workstation with 128G of memory, and it’s annoying that the file allocates the full 128G even though i may only be using like 32G. I mean SSD’s have become cheaper but still..

tda 2y ago

This is one the primary reasons I use a MacBook (the other being the trackpad). Instant and reliable on/off when I close/open the lid, without ever worrying about it is something I just take for granted. If I need a mouse and do a controlled shutdown/boot I might as well use a desktop.

djxfade 2y ago
Modern Mac's use a very similar sleep state, where they can still receive notifications and perform simple background tasks.
- jbverschoor 2y ago
  Except that actually works
  - djxfade 2y ago
    Yes definetly. Apple's implementation is solid.
  - glandium 2y ago
    For a value of work that leaves you with no battery after a few days, while older Intel macs would last literal months.
    - joshstrange 2y ago
      That’s interesting, I have the exact opposite experience. My Intel MBP would keep running or doing something in my backpack such that the battery would be lower and it would be hot. It wasn’t always and the Intel MBP worked better than any windows computer I had used before it but still noticeable. Sometimes after not using it for a day, closed and unplugged, it would be dead. In contrast, my M-chip MBP never gets hot and the battery is reminiscent of my iPad. I used to stress about my power cord and making sure I had it with me, I still always carry one because I like being prepared but I don’t have to use it hardly ever away from home.
    - 2y ago

Lvl999Noob 2y ago

I used to be able to just close the lid on my laptop and forget about it for days. Nowadays with the new laptop provided by my employer, if I close the lid wrong, it doesn't even go to sleep and the battery drains completely (which is... understandable, I guess, since it didn't go to sleep) but even if I do all the rituals and it goes to sleep, the battery still drains away within a few hours. I can't full charge my laptop at the end of the workday, keep my VS and stuff open, and just the laptop to sleep. I have to shut it down properly and then start everything back up again the next morning.

soco 2y ago
I noticed that my HP only really goes to sleep if I close the lid WHEN UNPLUGGED (Windows settings get ignored or whatever reason). In case other laptops work the same, glad to be of help :)
- orphea 2y ago
  The same thing happens to my work Lenovo ThinkPad laptop. PS. A related video from LTT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c
  - devilbunny 2y ago
    Thanks for that link. My ThinkPad X1 Carbon (gen 7) BIOS supported choosing Windows 10 or Linux sleep mode - I switched to "Linux mode" and now I have S3 sleep. We'll see if that fixes the issue. I've battled this for a long time. The prospect of having my laptop be and stay charged is exciting.
- nine_k 2y ago
  It makes sense, because one of the modes of laptop use is to attach external display, keyboard, etc, along with power (2 or even 1 USB-C cable), close the lid, and work.
  - soco 2y ago

BlueTemplar 2y ago

The article links to a detailed description of the different states : https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_an...