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I’m hopeful that ARM based laptops will have better power management on Linux. Totally agree with what you have written. Ironically though, Microsoft standby

I’m hopeful that ARM based laptops will have better power management on Linux. Totally agree with what you have written. Ironically though, Microsoft standby sucks on Linux and Windows. Happy to be running a Mac. I’m curious how well Asahi linux works with standby on a Apple Silicon Mac.

vladvasiliu 2y ago
IME experience, at least on HP G8 EliteBooks, both AMD and Intel, Linux actually keeps the machine quiet and cool during "modern standby". With Windows, it absolutely will turn on the fans at some point, and the machine absolutely will get hot for whatever reason. This seems to have been fixed for a while now (say a year or so), but when the Intel machine was new, Windows would sometimes not wake up from sleep, or if did, the screen would be garbled. The AMD still has an issue where Windows will "unexpectedly shutdown" (according to the event log) during modern standby. This happens every single time I leave it on standby during the night. This is an almost four-year-old machine by now, not some brand-spanking-new thing, which works otherwise perfectly, especially on Linux.
- daft_pink 2y ago
  It’s not so much the heat that bothers most people, but the fact that when you close the lid of a windows laptop and throw it in your backpack, it will be totally out of battery, be running and you have to actually physically turn it off. Simply close the lid ane leave it in your backpack on a Mac and it will still retain most of it’s charge. I think most people intend their laptop to retain it’s charge when they close the lid and standby used to do this, but on windows machines, it really doesn’t anymore. It should really write all the ram to hd after a short period of time in your backpack instead of quickly depleting the battery.
  - vladvasiliu 2y ago
    > It should really write all the ram to hd after a short period of time in your backpack instead of quickly depleting the battery. In the default config on my machine, it actually starts to hibernate if it's asleep and unplugged for a while. Don't know what the delay is.
pjerem 2y ago
> I’m curious how well Asahi linux works with standby on a Apple Silicon Mac. I’ve not tried it long but from my short experience, it works well. Btw, Asahi is actually really easy to install if you are curious. Everything is done/installed from macOS including shrinking your macOS partition. And uninstalling it is as simple as removing the partition from Disk Manager and growing back your macOS partition. All you need is some disk space and, one command line to copy paste and about 20 minutes. And it works really well overall. It have everything to be a daily driver (including graphics acceleration) except external display support and TouchID. But both of those issues are being worked on.
- reacharavindh 2y ago
  I played with Asahi on my personal use MacBook Air. It is great for the things it does. But, I’m waiting on the USB-C implementation and the external monitor support before thinking about switching to it for proper use. For now, it is just checking in every month or so to see what all works and what doesn’t.
  - pjerem 2y ago
    Yes, same for me. But overall, I was pretty impressed by Fedora Asahi. I was expecting a clunky experience with hacks and bugs everywhere but I'm now actually expecting to use it as my daily driver as soon as possible. Like, there are those things (USB-C, external display, Touch ID) that doesn't work at all but everything else works wonderfully. Even the audio is as good as on macOS (thanks to the specially built audio driver) which iirc, have never been the case on Intel macs (yes, audio works on intel but the sound is better on macOS because Apple have a special driver that is able to shortly and safely overdrive the speakers to get better sound - and asahi replicated this driver).

vladvasiliu 2y ago

IME experience, at least on HP G8 EliteBooks, both AMD and Intel, Linux actually keeps the machine quiet and cool during "modern standby". With Windows, it absolutely will turn on the fans at some point, and the machine absolutely will get hot for whatever reason. This seems to have been fixed for a while now (say a year or so), but when the Intel machine was new, Windows would sometimes not wake up from sleep, or if did, the screen would be garbled. The AMD still has an issue where Windows will "unexpectedly shutdown" (according to the event log) during modern standby. This happens every single time I leave it on standby during the night. This is an almost four-year-old machine by now, not some brand-spanking-new thing, which works otherwise perfectly, especially on Linux.

daft_pink 2y ago
It’s not so much the heat that bothers most people, but the fact that when you close the lid of a windows laptop and throw it in your backpack, it will be totally out of battery, be running and you have to actually physically turn it off. Simply close the lid ane leave it in your backpack on a Mac and it will still retain most of it’s charge. I think most people intend their laptop to retain it’s charge when they close the lid and standby used to do this, but on windows machines, it really doesn’t anymore. It should really write all the ram to hd after a short period of time in your backpack instead of quickly depleting the battery.
- vladvasiliu 2y ago
  > It should really write all the ram to hd after a short period of time in your backpack instead of quickly depleting the battery. In the default config on my machine, it actually starts to hibernate if it's asleep and unplugged for a while. Don't know what the delay is.

pjerem 2y ago

> I’m curious how well Asahi linux works with standby on a Apple Silicon Mac. I’ve not tried it long but from my short experience, it works well. Btw, Asahi is actually really easy to install if you are curious. Everything is done/installed from macOS including shrinking your macOS partition. And uninstalling it is as simple as removing the partition from Disk Manager and growing back your macOS partition. All you need is some disk space and, one command line to copy paste and about 20 minutes. And it works really well overall. It have everything to be a daily driver (including graphics acceleration) except external display support and TouchID. But both of those issues are being worked on.

reacharavindh 2y ago
I played with Asahi on my personal use MacBook Air. It is great for the things it does. But, I’m waiting on the USB-C implementation and the external monitor support before thinking about switching to it for proper use. For now, it is just checking in every month or so to see what all works and what doesn’t.
- pjerem 2y ago
  Yes, same for me. But overall, I was pretty impressed by Fedora Asahi. I was expecting a clunky experience with hacks and bugs everywhere but I'm now actually expecting to use it as my daily driver as soon as possible. Like, there are those things (USB-C, external display, Touch ID) that doesn't work at all but everything else works wonderfully. Even the audio is as good as on macOS (thanks to the specially built audio driver) which iirc, have never been the case on Intel macs (yes, audio works on intel but the sound is better on macOS because Apple have a special driver that is able to shortly and safely overdrive the speakers to get better sound - and asahi replicated this driver).