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I’m not interested in your hypotheticals when we can just talk about the actual use of the image. Why change the context? At the places I’ve worked it’s been un

by enneff 2y ago

I’m not interested in your hypotheticals when we can just talk about the actual use of the image. Why change the context? At the places I’ve worked it’s been unusual for people to even set a wallpaper and extremely unusual to use some arbitrary image in an email signature (like what??). Maybe you should ask some women that you know what they would think about this actual scenario (not contrived scenarios), rather than presuming.

eigenket 2y ago
Ok...you want a scenario where an image of an attractive young woman was shared and used extensively by members of a male dominated field and where women involved in the field have told us what they think of it? Oh yeah, I've heard that one before - its Lena/Lenna: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna Here is a random example I found of a women talking about her experience https://www.cmc.edu/news/every-picture-tells-a-story https://www.cmc.edu/news/every-picture-tells-a-story And another one https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-playboy-centerfold-does-not-belong-in-tj-classrooms/2015/04/24/76e87fa4-e47a-11e4-81ea-0649268f729e_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-playboy-centerfold... Over the last decade or so journals and professional bodies have been trying to stop people using the Lenna image - Nature essentially banned it in their publications in 2018, and IEEE just this year.
- enneff 2y ago
  You misunderstand me. I’m saying we have a concrete scenario here, so we should discuss that scenario. Not some other different scenario. The Lenna image was literally taken from a porno mag. Its original context is erotic. I agree that it shouldn’t be used as it has. But that’s not what this thread nor my comments are about. If you want to make it about something else then go ahead but I’m not interested.

by enneff 2y ago

eigenket 2y ago

Ok...you want a scenario where an image of an attractive young woman was shared and used extensively by members of a male dominated field and where women involved in the field have told us what they think of it? Oh yeah, I've heard that one before - its Lena/Lenna: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna Here is a random example I found of a women talking about her experience https://www.cmc.edu/news/every-picture-tells-a-story https://www.cmc.edu/news/every-picture-tells-a-story And another one https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-playboy-centerfold-does-not-belong-in-tj-classrooms/2015/04/24/76e87fa4-e47a-11e4-81ea-0649268f729e_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-playboy-centerfold... Over the last decade or so journals and professional bodies have been trying to stop people using the Lenna image - Nature essentially banned it in their publications in 2018, and IEEE just this year.

enneff 2y ago
You misunderstand me. I’m saying we have a concrete scenario here, so we should discuss that scenario. Not some other different scenario. The Lenna image was literally taken from a porno mag. Its original context is erotic. I agree that it shouldn’t be used as it has. But that’s not what this thread nor my comments are about. If you want to make it about something else then go ahead but I’m not interested.