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>But records released so far show the probe, which wrapped in November, found that the entire chiefs mess knew about the secret system, and those who didn’t buy

by NavinF 2y ago

>But records released so far show the probe, which wrapped in November, found that the entire chiefs mess knew about the secret system, and those who didn’t buy into it were nonetheless culpable for not reporting the misconduct. >Marrero and her cohorts paid $2,800 for a Starlink High Performance Kit with a personal credit card, and contacted Starlink to expedite shipping so the system would arrive in time for the deployment. >Those involved also used the Chief Petty Officer Association’s debit card to pay off the $1,000 monthly Starlink bill, and Marrero warned the chiefs to only use the network in their rooms. Sounds like the Navy needs to provide better wifi before people get desperate like this and screw up their electronic warfare

stevetodd 2y ago
Related: The US Navy Is Going All In on Starlink https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy-starlink-sea2/ https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy-starlink-sea2/
Terr_ 2y ago
Those very same electronic-warfare concerns might be what's preventing that, barring something really fancy like hyper-directed satellite communication using lasers etc. Considering that "streaming movies" figured prominently in the illicit data stream, I would strategically reframe the problem like so: "America's excessively-restrictive copyright laws are putting our troops in danger!!!1" Clearly, the only possible choice is for Congress to make explicit and broad copyright exemptions for public libraries, and then put one on the ship. :D
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  On the one hand I’d love to be a vendor to make deployments suck less and more entertaining for servicemen. On the other hand I don’t want to deal with procurement.
- toast0 2y ago
  Video disks might not be superduper convenient; I don't know what kind of leisure devices navy peeps have, but you don't need a copyright exemption to lend them. If you don't mind tossing the cases, binder sheets for discs are pretty high density.
  - bluedino 2y ago
    Those portable DVD players were hot items on the ship
pdpi 2y ago
> Sounds like the Navy needs to provide better wifi before people get desperate like this and screw up their electronic warfare "Desperate" is a strong word. The point is that there should be no wifi at all during these deployments, and there are reasonable operational security reasons for that ban. This isn't a "fix" to a problem, it's directly disobeying an order.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Navy already can’t meet their enlisted recruiting [1] and civilian mariner [2] targets. Operational security is a consideration, but unmanned vessels don’t sail and project force. As stevetodd’s link mentions downthread, the Navy is procuring StarLink officially (likely as part of StarShield, their DoD product with milspec satellites and full DoD ownership and control [3]); peel off some bandwidth for the humans if you expect them to show up to the job. They’ll easily find a better job in the current labor macro otherwise [4]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169676 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41331066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41331066 [3] https://spacenews.com/pentagon-embracing-spacexs-starshield-for-future-military-satcom/ https://spacenews.com/pentagon-embracing-spacexs-starshield-... [4] https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/article/3616786/dod-addresses-recruiting-shortfall-challenges/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/article/36...
  - markus_zhang 2y ago
    How about a huge collection of offline digital medias and an Intranet that connects the sailors on the ship? That might help a bit?
    - knowitnone 2y ago
      that solves 1 of the three content types. the other two are "check sports scores, text home" which an intranet would not solve.
      - lostmsu 2y ago
yencabulator 2y ago
Meanwhile, second paragraph of the article: > For a variety of reasons, including operational security, a crew’s internet access is regularly restricted while underway, to preserve bandwidth for the mission and to keep their ship safe from nefarious online attacks.
Brian_K_White 2y ago
This is not a case of failing to serve a fucking market. Holy shit.
- NavinF 2y ago
  It literally is, as others have elaborated on: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41441755 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41441755

by NavinF 2y ago

stevetodd 2y ago

Related: The US Navy Is Going All In on Starlink https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy-starlink-sea2/ https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy-starlink-sea2/

Terr_ 2y ago

Those very same electronic-warfare concerns might be what's preventing that, barring something really fancy like hyper-directed satellite communication using lasers etc. Considering that "streaming movies" figured prominently in the illicit data stream, I would strategically reframe the problem like so: "America's excessively-restrictive copyright laws are putting our troops in danger!!!1" Clearly, the only possible choice is for Congress to make explicit and broad copyright exemptions for public libraries, and then put one on the ship. :D

doctorpangloss 2y ago
On the one hand I’d love to be a vendor to make deployments suck less and more entertaining for servicemen. On the other hand I don’t want to deal with procurement.
toast0 2y ago
Video disks might not be superduper convenient; I don't know what kind of leisure devices navy peeps have, but you don't need a copyright exemption to lend them. If you don't mind tossing the cases, binder sheets for discs are pretty high density.
- bluedino 2y ago
  Those portable DVD players were hot items on the ship

pdpi 2y ago

> Sounds like the Navy needs to provide better wifi before people get desperate like this and screw up their electronic warfare "Desperate" is a strong word. The point is that there should be no wifi at all during these deployments, and there are reasonable operational security reasons for that ban. This isn't a "fix" to a problem, it's directly disobeying an order.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
Navy already can’t meet their enlisted recruiting [1] and civilian mariner [2] targets. Operational security is a consideration, but unmanned vessels don’t sail and project force. As stevetodd’s link mentions downthread, the Navy is procuring StarLink officially (likely as part of StarShield, their DoD product with milspec satellites and full DoD ownership and control [3]); peel off some bandwidth for the humans if you expect them to show up to the job. They’ll easily find a better job in the current labor macro otherwise [4]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169676 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41331066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41331066 [3] https://spacenews.com/pentagon-embracing-spacexs-starshield-for-future-military-satcom/ https://spacenews.com/pentagon-embracing-spacexs-starshield-... [4] https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/article/3616786/dod-addresses-recruiting-shortfall-challenges/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/article/36...
- markus_zhang 2y ago
  How about a huge collection of offline digital medias and an Intranet that connects the sailors on the ship? That might help a bit?
  - knowitnone 2y ago
    that solves 1 of the three content types. the other two are "check sports scores, text home" which an intranet would not solve.
    - lostmsu 2y ago

yencabulator 2y ago

Meanwhile, second paragraph of the article: > For a variety of reasons, including operational security, a crew’s internet access is regularly restricted while underway, to preserve bandwidth for the mission and to keep their ship safe from nefarious online attacks.

Brian_K_White 2y ago

This is not a case of failing to serve a fucking market. Holy shit.

NavinF 2y ago
It literally is, as others have elaborated on: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41441755 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41441755