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> That would be quite the strawman but whatever works for them. These types of people exist, and in worryingly large numbers.

eru 2y ago
See also the German 'Green' party whose policies have led to lots and lots more CO2 emissions over the years.
- kergonath 2y ago
  Also, Greenpeace energy selling organic gas. That’s is very funny until you realise that 1) they are serious, and 2) they vote.
  - barbazoo 2y ago
    Do you mean "renewable" gas? https://green-planet-energy.de/privatkunden/prowindgas https://green-planet-energy.de/privatkunden/prowindgas I can't find anything about "organic" gas, maybe your auto translate did a wrong thing?!
    - kergonath 2y ago
      Sorry, it was vegan gas, not organic. They stopped labelling it that way, obviously, after being thoroughly ridiculed. It’s difficult to find references to it now, but some articles from that time (2020-2022 I think) remain, e.g. https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/decouple/greenpeace-selling-vegan-cqyU9KW2YRN/ https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/decouple/greenpeace-sel... There might be some traces of it in the Internet archive. [edit] there are traces here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210209184343/http://www.greenpeace-energy.de/privatkunden/oekogas/unser-windgas-im-detail.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210209184343/http://www.greenp... It was prominently on their home page at some point, but I could not find it. I should have saved it.
      - aziaziazi 2y ago
        I get why people laught at it but let’s not forget anaerobic digestion reactors do produce methane from manure and last centuries oleoindustrie was using tons of cetacean fat, so vegan gaz is not litterally meaningless.
- barbazoo 2y ago
  Is that actually true? If you mean "over the last 20 years", then no, they weren't even a governing party between 2005 and 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Federal_Republic_of_Germany_governments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Federal_Republic_of_Ge... You're perhaps talking about the downstream effects of sunsetting nuclear energy but even since then, the ratio of renewable energy has only increased. So what do you mean exactly? https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...
  - eru 2y ago
    Yes, I was (partially) talking about sunsetting nuclear energy, which they had a major part in (though some of that was indirectly). They are also against fracking, which indirectly leads to more coal burning. Which is worse. > [...] the ratio of renewable energy has only increased. So what do you mean exactly? I would look at the CO2 emitted per Joule or something like that. Ie something that puts nuclear and coal into different baskets.
  - CRConrad 2y ago
    > > See also the German 'Green' party whose policies have led to lots and lots more CO2 emissions over the years. reply > Is that actually true? > If you mean "over the last 20 years", then no, they weren't even a governing party between 2005 and 2021. You don't have to be in cabinet to influence other parties.
    - barbazoo 2y ago
      They barely made it into parliament at all most elections, hovering around 5% in 2002 and 2006 and well below 10% after that until 2021. I think you might be giving them too much credit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#Election_results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#Electio...
      - CRConrad 2y ago
        > They barely made it into parliament at all most elections You don't even have to be in parliament to influence other parties.

eru 2y ago

See also the German 'Green' party whose policies have led to lots and lots more CO2 emissions over the years.

kergonath 2y ago
Also, Greenpeace energy selling organic gas. That’s is very funny until you realise that 1) they are serious, and 2) they vote.
- barbazoo 2y ago
  Do you mean "renewable" gas? https://green-planet-energy.de/privatkunden/prowindgas https://green-planet-energy.de/privatkunden/prowindgas I can't find anything about "organic" gas, maybe your auto translate did a wrong thing?!
  - kergonath 2y ago
    Sorry, it was vegan gas, not organic. They stopped labelling it that way, obviously, after being thoroughly ridiculed. It’s difficult to find references to it now, but some articles from that time (2020-2022 I think) remain, e.g. https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/decouple/greenpeace-selling-vegan-cqyU9KW2YRN/ https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/decouple/greenpeace-sel... There might be some traces of it in the Internet archive. [edit] there are traces here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210209184343/http://www.greenpeace-energy.de/privatkunden/oekogas/unser-windgas-im-detail.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210209184343/http://www.greenp... It was prominently on their home page at some point, but I could not find it. I should have saved it.
    - aziaziazi 2y ago
      I get why people laught at it but let’s not forget anaerobic digestion reactors do produce methane from manure and last centuries oleoindustrie was using tons of cetacean fat, so vegan gaz is not litterally meaningless.
barbazoo 2y ago
Is that actually true? If you mean "over the last 20 years", then no, they weren't even a governing party between 2005 and 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Federal_Republic_of_Germany_governments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Federal_Republic_of_Ge... You're perhaps talking about the downstream effects of sunsetting nuclear energy but even since then, the ratio of renewable energy has only increased. So what do you mean exactly? https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...
- eru 2y ago
  Yes, I was (partially) talking about sunsetting nuclear energy, which they had a major part in (though some of that was indirectly). They are also against fracking, which indirectly leads to more coal burning. Which is worse. > [...] the ratio of renewable energy has only increased. So what do you mean exactly? I would look at the CO2 emitted per Joule or something like that. Ie something that puts nuclear and coal into different baskets.
- CRConrad 2y ago
  > > See also the German 'Green' party whose policies have led to lots and lots more CO2 emissions over the years. reply > Is that actually true? > If you mean "over the last 20 years", then no, they weren't even a governing party between 2005 and 2021. You don't have to be in cabinet to influence other parties.
  - barbazoo 2y ago
    They barely made it into parliament at all most elections, hovering around 5% in 2002 and 2006 and well below 10% after that until 2021. I think you might be giving them too much credit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#Election_results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#Electio...
    - CRConrad 2y ago
      > They barely made it into parliament at all most elections You don't even have to be in parliament to influence other parties.