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The collective farm that produced SpaceX is the United States Government. It carried out all the research and development necessary to create and further the No
by mikojan 2y ago
The collective farm that produced SpaceX is the United States Government. It carried out all the research and development necessary to create and further the North American space program. And it is existential in furthering it to this day. Without this source of contracts, research projects and income SpaceX would not be able to produce its commercial spin-off products.
- trhway 2y agoYou obviously never been to a collective farm. Despite government support to the extent much larger than that for SpaceX collective farms have nothing to show for it.
- immibis 2y agoMaybe because they are farms and not rocket makers
- trhway 2y agoWhy they are farms and not rocket makers? Because collective.
- nl 2y agoBut there are very successful rocketry collectives! They just typically aren't called "farms". Things like Friends of Amateur Rocketry have all the characteristics of a collective (including legal status) https://friendsofamateurrocketry.org/ https://friendsofamateurrocketry.org/ The constraining factor is typically budget (as mentioned up-thread).
- immibis 2y agoBy this logic capitalism is the thing holding back capitalist farms from being rocket makers too? Or do you only apply it when you get to use the word "collective"?
- trhway 2y agoOf course it is the logic of collective. In capitalism you decide how you'd want to spend your resources, on a farm or on a rocket. In collective it is collective who decides.
- Viliam1234 2y agoThat's not an excuse. In socialist Czechoslovakia, a coop farm produced computers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JZD_Slu%C5%A1ovice#TNS_Computer_Manufacturing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JZD_Slu%C5%A1ovice#TNS_Compute...
- soulofmischief 2y agoIt looks like this system was created out of necessity; there was no viable product for what they needed. Necessity is the mother of innovation after all, and we find this sorts of innovation frequently in non-collectivized entrepreneurships as well. Still, very cool!
- WalterBright 2y agoIf it weren't for the Wright Brothers, NASA would never have existed.
- mikojan 2y agoMaybe so but I am not arguing with that. The original claim is much weaker: No "collective" produces innovation.