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I’m always curious if this affects the content of the messages or just the tone. We have constructive proof that a voice in your head saying “Take your son to t

I’m always curious if this affects the content of the messages or just the tone. We have constructive proof that a voice in your head saying “Take your son to the top of a mountain, tie him to a rock and threaten him with a knife” can be viewed as morally good and casually powerful without changing the content at all. In countries with women’s and children’s rights, the space of acceptable shamanic behavior is suddenly a lot narrower

voiceblue 2y ago
Not sure if you intended this, but you just turned causal into casual.
- QuadmasterXLII 2y ago
  As the French say, “Tushy”
GeekyBear 2y ago
Previously, I've read an account of an Indian woman who would hear the voice of her grandmother offering advice and saying loving supportive things.
tsol 2y ago
Saying "raise your son to be patriotic and fight for his country" is acceptable in western societies. There isn't particularly a big difference in morality when it comes to the extremes
- room4 2y ago
  > Saying "raise your son to be patriotic and fight for his country" is acceptable in western societies. Maybe kinda in some circles? I suspect almost none of the tech-worker urban liberals who are the majority on HN would embrace that as a parenting notion. Even among military veterans, your phrasing would likely sound a bit off the mark. They would generally see the call as being about protecting other people and serving their country. To address your second sentence, most people see a big difference in morality between "Protect the innocent from people who would harm them" and "Harm the innocent".
snickerbockers 2y ago
Oh man, the binding of Isaac really is the strangest cognitive dissonance. I have no doubt that every practicing Christian, Muslim, and Jew I know [1] would ascertain that Abraham is having a serious mental health crisis and dual 911 if it happened to somebody they know today but at the same time I've never seen a good argument for why the actual story in Genesis should be taken seriously on its own. [1] obviously there will always be outliers here but if we're exclusively considering 21st century America, I feel confident wagering that the amount of religious people who would take Abraham seriously is statistically insignificant, and similar to the amount of nonreligious people who would take him seriously. Also I'm specifically referring to how third parties react to Abraham nearly murdering his son, I don't think it's fair to hold Abraham himself to the same standards as long as we're assuming that he is suffering a mental health crisis.

voiceblue 2y ago

Not sure if you intended this, but you just turned causal into casual.

QuadmasterXLII 2y ago
As the French say, “Tushy”

GeekyBear 2y ago

Previously, I've read an account of an Indian woman who would hear the voice of her grandmother offering advice and saying loving supportive things.

tsol 2y ago

Saying "raise your son to be patriotic and fight for his country" is acceptable in western societies. There isn't particularly a big difference in morality when it comes to the extremes

room4 2y ago
> Saying "raise your son to be patriotic and fight for his country" is acceptable in western societies. Maybe kinda in some circles? I suspect almost none of the tech-worker urban liberals who are the majority on HN would embrace that as a parenting notion. Even among military veterans, your phrasing would likely sound a bit off the mark. They would generally see the call as being about protecting other people and serving their country. To address your second sentence, most people see a big difference in morality between "Protect the innocent from people who would harm them" and "Harm the innocent".

snickerbockers 2y ago

Oh man, the binding of Isaac really is the strangest cognitive dissonance. I have no doubt that every practicing Christian, Muslim, and Jew I know [1] would ascertain that Abraham is having a serious mental health crisis and dual 911 if it happened to somebody they know today but at the same time I've never seen a good argument for why the actual story in Genesis should be taken seriously on its own. [1] obviously there will always be outliers here but if we're exclusively considering 21st century America, I feel confident wagering that the amount of religious people who would take Abraham seriously is statistically insignificant, and similar to the amount of nonreligious people who would take him seriously. Also I'm specifically referring to how third parties react to Abraham nearly murdering his son, I don't think it's fair to hold Abraham himself to the same standards as long as we're assuming that he is suffering a mental health crisis.