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Voluntary or not, behaviors aren't experiences, they're things people do. Lying down in the supermarket is a behavior, but hearing voices isn't.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Of course hearing a voice is a behavior, especially one that isn't there. Your brain is producing a voice and then experiencing it, both of which are things your brain is doing, i.e a behavior. And in any case, obviously people don't get treated for the specific behavior (or experience, if you want) of hearing voices. They get treated for the behavior of complaining about voices.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  > Your brain is producing a voice and then experiencing it, Where does your brain end and you start? Does it make sense to have this distinction?
  - genewitch 2y ago
    Somewhere around the gut area, if my reading of the literature is correct.
- AlbertCory 2y ago
  This seems fairly subtle, not to say nonsensical. People aren't treated for covid; they're treated for complaining about their symptoms They're not treated for anxiety; they're treated for complaining about anxiety. They're not treated for migraine headaches; they're treated for complaining about headaches. They're not treated for gout; they're treated for complaining about their big toe.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Except the whole premise is that we know empirically that interpretation (a behavior) can alter the "medical" outcome. Anxiety is the only of your examples that's kind of similar, and, likewise, anxiety is highly amenable to cognition-based therapies.
    - AlbertCory 2y ago
      I don't know what we're arguing about, but it seems rather subtle, except maybe to you. Why does it matter that "anxiety is highly amenable to cognition-based therapies?"
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- partomniscient 2y ago
  Hearing voices is an experience. Behaviour is a response to said experience. They are separate parts of a process which may or may not always result in a same or similar outcome. i.e. Actual behaviour is not the expected behaviour. The experience is the trigger of said behaviour (or even lack thereof such as a lack of empathy or sympathy).

llamaimperative 2y ago

Of course hearing a voice is a behavior, especially one that isn't there. Your brain is producing a voice and then experiencing it, both of which are things your brain is doing, i.e a behavior. And in any case, obviously people don't get treated for the specific behavior (or experience, if you want) of hearing voices. They get treated for the behavior of complaining about voices.

rbanffy 2y ago
> Your brain is producing a voice and then experiencing it, Where does your brain end and you start? Does it make sense to have this distinction?
- genewitch 2y ago
  Somewhere around the gut area, if my reading of the literature is correct.
AlbertCory 2y ago
This seems fairly subtle, not to say nonsensical. People aren't treated for covid; they're treated for complaining about their symptoms They're not treated for anxiety; they're treated for complaining about anxiety. They're not treated for migraine headaches; they're treated for complaining about headaches. They're not treated for gout; they're treated for complaining about their big toe.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Except the whole premise is that we know empirically that interpretation (a behavior) can alter the "medical" outcome. Anxiety is the only of your examples that's kind of similar, and, likewise, anxiety is highly amenable to cognition-based therapies.
  - AlbertCory 2y ago
    I don't know what we're arguing about, but it seems rather subtle, except maybe to you. Why does it matter that "anxiety is highly amenable to cognition-based therapies?"
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partomniscient 2y ago
Hearing voices is an experience. Behaviour is a response to said experience. They are separate parts of a process which may or may not always result in a same or similar outcome. i.e. Actual behaviour is not the expected behaviour. The experience is the trigger of said behaviour (or even lack thereof such as a lack of empathy or sympathy).