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Tho I agree what you've said I do want to say that it's quite hilarious to place the concept of God alongside reptilians - if you've decided for yourself that t

Tho I agree what you've said I do want to say that it's quite hilarious to place the concept of God alongside reptilians - if you've decided for yourself that there is no god than you've decided that everything everywhere just spontaneously came into existence all on its own with these very specific rules we know as physics and laws and whatnots... To me that is every bit as insane as reptilians. I don't believe in a god in the clouds and I kno evolution exists and the universe is billions of years old and still it must come from or exist somewhere and have something or someone as an origin. Nothing comes from nothing and nothing happens for no reason - to believe otherwise is a giant leap of faith.

BlarfMcFlarf 2y ago
You can call a low entropy point in the past whatever you want. If it’s talking to you or cares about you personally somehow then yeah, I would consider it equally delusional to reptile people.
- binary132 2y ago
  It’s not really a big leap from “everything came from something extremely highly ordered that preexisted everything” to “maybe that thing is or has a Mind”.
  - HexDecOctBin 2y ago
    And it's an even smaller jump to go from "maybe that thing is or has a Mind" to "maybe this entity's nick on Hacker News is HexDecOctBin". Thus, you should start worshipping me. But you won't, because you don't actually believe in these small jumps. You want to believe, you try to believe, but you don't. The doubt is there, and it is a healthy doubt (else you would be worshipping me), but it brings you shame.
    - binary132 2y ago
      that leap of faith would be unreasonable :)
      - HexDecOctBin 2y ago
        Somehow, going from "a spontaneous state of low entropy" to "a conscious entity with a mind" wasn't?
phoe-krk 2y ago
> if you've decided for yourself that there is no god than you've decided that everything everywhere just spontaneously came into existence all on its own with these very specific rules we know as physics and laws and whatnots No, I haven't - you're implying a binary choice where there's no such thing. There's an option to say that I don't know and perhaps I simply don't need to know that in order to have a satisfying life. The answer "everything just spontaneously appeared" is something I perceive as meaning-seeking, just like "a god created it all". To claim a god of some sort exists is the same as to claim a god doesn't, or reptilians do, or don't - empty claims based on beliefs. To use such beliefs - no matter their shape - in order to create meaning, is just attempting to deal with the idea that meaning is a man-made construct and it doesn't come from higher above.

BlarfMcFlarf 2y ago

You can call a low entropy point in the past whatever you want. If it’s talking to you or cares about you personally somehow then yeah, I would consider it equally delusional to reptile people.

binary132 2y ago
It’s not really a big leap from “everything came from something extremely highly ordered that preexisted everything” to “maybe that thing is or has a Mind”.
- HexDecOctBin 2y ago
  And it's an even smaller jump to go from "maybe that thing is or has a Mind" to "maybe this entity's nick on Hacker News is HexDecOctBin". Thus, you should start worshipping me. But you won't, because you don't actually believe in these small jumps. You want to believe, you try to believe, but you don't. The doubt is there, and it is a healthy doubt (else you would be worshipping me), but it brings you shame.
  - binary132 2y ago
    that leap of faith would be unreasonable :)
    - HexDecOctBin 2y ago
      Somehow, going from "a spontaneous state of low entropy" to "a conscious entity with a mind" wasn't?

phoe-krk 2y ago

> if you've decided for yourself that there is no god than you've decided that everything everywhere just spontaneously came into existence all on its own with these very specific rules we know as physics and laws and whatnots No, I haven't - you're implying a binary choice where there's no such thing. There's an option to say that I don't know and perhaps I simply don't need to know that in order to have a satisfying life. The answer "everything just spontaneously appeared" is something I perceive as meaning-seeking, just like "a god created it all". To claim a god of some sort exists is the same as to claim a god doesn't, or reptilians do, or don't - empty claims based on beliefs. To use such beliefs - no matter their shape - in order to create meaning, is just attempting to deal with the idea that meaning is a man-made construct and it doesn't come from higher above.