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Search google news "environmentalist landfill" and find me one article praising the ingenuity of landfills https://news.google.com/search?q=environmentalist+la

by bko 2y ago

Search google news "environmentalist landfill" and find me one article praising the ingenuity of landfills https://news.google.com/search?q=environmentalist+landfills&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en https://news.google.com/search?q=environmentalist+landfills&... Here's one from 3 days ago. Garbage Lasagna’: Dumps Are a Big Driver of Warming, Study Says Don't gaslight me and tell me environmentalists applaud all solutions to environmental issues equally. They have their own solutions, and activists often force things like recycling at all costs, even though it means shipping it across the world on polluting boats and having some other country dump it in their rivers. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/28/climate/landfills-methane-emissions.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/28/climate/landfills-methane...

barbazoo 2y ago
Studies researching the negative effects of landfills are the necessary first step in making them environmentally friendly. How else would we know what to do? Perhaps whatever you have in mind has to do with people's desire to keep more garbage out of the landfill in the first place? I don't know. > They have their own solutions, and activists often force things like recycling at all costs, even though it means shipping it across the world on polluting boats and having some other country dump it in their rivers. I don't know what that's referring to but where I live, the vast majority of recycling does not leave the province. So I can't really empathize with the example, I'm aware of the trope though. Perhaps this is one of the things that's much different in the US and less so in other places.
mschuster91 2y ago
> They have their own solutions, and activists often force things like recycling at all costs, even though it means shipping it across the world on polluting boats and having some other country dump it in their rivers. That's a side effect of (way too) lax regulations and the externalities of disposing of plastics not being paid for! Germany and a few other EU countries for example force any introducer of "recyclable" packaging to pay into a system to fund recycling stream collection, sorting and disposals ("Grüner Punkt" [1]). Yes, it's not perfect, way too much of our plastics waste still is exported to poor countries, but the ban on that is already law that will come into force in a few years [2]. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCner_Punkt https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCner_Punkt [2] https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/plastikmuell-eu-einigt-sich-auf-weitgehendes-exportverbot-a-ebb5af97-13e9-4d5f-871f-ec2ba9dab2bf https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/plastikmuell-eu-einigt-sic...
bittercynic 2y ago
I think the search results are not representative of what actual humans think. I guess I consider myself an environmentalist, in that it's a relatively high priority to me to avoid causing unnecessary environmental destruction. I regularly take some effort to dispose of hazardous waste appropriately, etc, but I normally don't go around announcing my environmental priorities. It's not that I don't care, it's just that talking about it is usually not much fun, and is unlikely to help anything. I think my attitude on the matter is pretty common in my area.

by bko 2y ago

barbazoo 2y ago

Studies researching the negative effects of landfills are the necessary first step in making them environmentally friendly. How else would we know what to do? Perhaps whatever you have in mind has to do with people's desire to keep more garbage out of the landfill in the first place? I don't know. > They have their own solutions, and activists often force things like recycling at all costs, even though it means shipping it across the world on polluting boats and having some other country dump it in their rivers. I don't know what that's referring to but where I live, the vast majority of recycling does not leave the province. So I can't really empathize with the example, I'm aware of the trope though. Perhaps this is one of the things that's much different in the US and less so in other places.

mschuster91 2y ago

> They have their own solutions, and activists often force things like recycling at all costs, even though it means shipping it across the world on polluting boats and having some other country dump it in their rivers. That's a side effect of (way too) lax regulations and the externalities of disposing of plastics not being paid for! Germany and a few other EU countries for example force any introducer of "recyclable" packaging to pay into a system to fund recycling stream collection, sorting and disposals ("Grüner Punkt" [1]). Yes, it's not perfect, way too much of our plastics waste still is exported to poor countries, but the ban on that is already law that will come into force in a few years [2]. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCner_Punkt https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCner_Punkt [2] https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/plastikmuell-eu-einigt-sich-auf-weitgehendes-exportverbot-a-ebb5af97-13e9-4d5f-871f-ec2ba9dab2bf https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/plastikmuell-eu-einigt-sic...

bittercynic 2y ago

I think the search results are not representative of what actual humans think. I guess I consider myself an environmentalist, in that it's a relatively high priority to me to avoid causing unnecessary environmental destruction. I regularly take some effort to dispose of hazardous waste appropriately, etc, but I normally don't go around announcing my environmental priorities. It's not that I don't care, it's just that talking about it is usually not much fun, and is unlikely to help anything. I think my attitude on the matter is pretty common in my area.