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This study [1] suggests that a prime cause of violence among schizophrenic individuals is linked to drug/alcohol abuse and/or lack of treatment. > Almost all (

This study [1] suggests that a prime cause of violence among schizophrenic individuals is linked to drug/alcohol abuse and/or lack of treatment. > Almost all (94%) of homicides were committed by patients who had a history of alcohol or drug misuse and/or who were not in receipt of planned treatment. Does that ring true? [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7745241/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7745241/

lupusreal 2y ago
Drug/alcohol addicts are far more common than people with psychosis, so if you're suggesting this statistic contradicts his claim then I'm not seeing it. It can easily be true that most murderers are alcoholics/addicts and that psychosis makes people more likely to become murderers. There's really no contradiction here unless you think hearing voices is anywhere near as common as people with drinking problems.
yunohn 2y ago
I often find that the drug/alcohol condition is also caused by having a voice in your head that is telling you to do insane things.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Are you speaking from personal experience, or are you making a generalized assumption? Either way, it's not much of a response to their study.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    Self medicating with drugs and alcohol is very common in people with all types of psychiatric disorders. I would expect that a bunch of schizophrenics who have never committed a homicide would have high rates of drug and alcohol abuse in their history. People with less severe symptoms and those getting treatment would be less likely to self medicate. Finding that a bunch of schizophrenics who have committed a homicide have high rates of drug and alcohol abuse isn't surprising either. Because drug/alcohol use can impair people's judgement/inhibitions in the best of circumstances it could be a factor in attacks by schizophrenics, but considering that there are vast numbers of people with who take drugs to excess and very few of them commit homicide I wouldn't jump to putting all the blame on the booze and weed. I'd think that it has a lot more to do with severe cases self-medicating and the lack of treatment.
  - kbelder 2y ago
    To the question "Does that ring true?", it's a perfectly fine response.
  - yunohn 2y ago
    Honestly just from picking up conversations with schizophrenic unhomed people that I’ve provided with food/water/money.

lupusreal 2y ago

Drug/alcohol addicts are far more common than people with psychosis, so if you're suggesting this statistic contradicts his claim then I'm not seeing it. It can easily be true that most murderers are alcoholics/addicts and that psychosis makes people more likely to become murderers. There's really no contradiction here unless you think hearing voices is anywhere near as common as people with drinking problems.

yunohn 2y ago

I often find that the drug/alcohol condition is also caused by having a voice in your head that is telling you to do insane things.

talldayo 2y ago
Are you speaking from personal experience, or are you making a generalized assumption? Either way, it's not much of a response to their study.
- autoexec 2y ago
  Self medicating with drugs and alcohol is very common in people with all types of psychiatric disorders. I would expect that a bunch of schizophrenics who have never committed a homicide would have high rates of drug and alcohol abuse in their history. People with less severe symptoms and those getting treatment would be less likely to self medicate. Finding that a bunch of schizophrenics who have committed a homicide have high rates of drug and alcohol abuse isn't surprising either. Because drug/alcohol use can impair people's judgement/inhibitions in the best of circumstances it could be a factor in attacks by schizophrenics, but considering that there are vast numbers of people with who take drugs to excess and very few of them commit homicide I wouldn't jump to putting all the blame on the booze and weed. I'd think that it has a lot more to do with severe cases self-medicating and the lack of treatment.
- kbelder 2y ago
  To the question "Does that ring true?", it's a perfectly fine response.
- yunohn 2y ago
  Honestly just from picking up conversations with schizophrenic unhomed people that I’ve provided with food/water/money.