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The world is far too cruel to children, and sees them primarily as nuisance. Part of this is because of increased childlessness, leaving people without the expe

The world is far too cruel to children, and sees them primarily as nuisance. Part of this is because of increased childlessness, leaving people without the experience of dealing with young children previous generations had. Parents deserve to be able to go to all kinds of events.

marssaxman 2y ago
Of course parents can go to all kinds of events - sometimes they just have to arrange for childcare.
hungie 2y ago
I disagree with your reason, but agree with your conclusion. We've been pretty unforgiving and cruel to both mothers and children for a long, long time.
Aloha 2y ago
I'm not suited for raising children as a primary parent, but I'm happy to be part of that village raising kids.
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BadHumans 2y ago
I think the callousness towards parents is earned. I have seen children destroy gardens and when parents are told they show no remorse or attempts to reprimand the child. You are told to calm down they are just being kids. Of course this leads to people seeing children as a nuisance.
- gspencley 2y ago
  I agree. I'm a parent with two (now adult) daughters. I'm not intolerant of other peoples' children because I am personally child-free or was an only child (though I was). I'm intolerant of other peoples' children when those children draw attention to themselves. If your kid is quiet and keeps to themselves, then I haven't even noticed them in the first place in order to take issue. The reason I take issue is because your kid is being loud or obnoxious and ruining my experience in (grocery store | restaurant | movie theatre | public transportation | anywhere that I'm politely minding my own business but your kid is forcing me to know that it exists). As people like to say when discussing rights and freedoms: your rights end where my nose begins. My wife and I recently travelled to Walt Disney World for a vacation. While in a hotel lobby we walked past a child around 8 or 9 years-old (if I had to guess) accompanied by a man that I assumed was his father. As we walked past, the kid punched my wife in the arm. It wasn't a mistake. He telegraphed the hell out of it. When I confronted the father he just smiled and shrugged it off. If people didn't constantly have to deal with situations like the above, then we could talk about being more tolerant towards other peoples' children. But if it's not a child invading physical boundaries, it's auditory. God help those of us with misophonia that have to listen to children make the most hideous noises (and not always due to a temper tantrum, sometimes it's just loud screeching or yelling as part of play or whatever). Why should anyone have to tolerate this? And no, I don't blame the children, I blame the parents. But who is at fault is irrelevant. No one should be obligated to put up with assholes whether those assholes are 40 years-old or 4 years-old.
squigz 2y ago
> Part of this is because of increased childlessness Another way of phrasing this is more people are choosing not to have children - one motivation probably being that they can actually be quite a nuisance, a sentiment I've heard from literally every parent I've ever talked to. Parents do deserve to go to all kinds of events - and generally are allowed to. Parents do not have the right to disturb events for people who choose not to have kids.
- sickofparadox 2y ago
  That is true but not really what I was getting at. Because there are fewer children today, the average person has no casual interaction with children in their day to day, something that was rare in days past. This has led to the idea that children do not belong anywhere that is not explicitly a "family area" which disqualifies them (parents) from going places they need to be, such as events focused on the importance of being a mother and business owner!

marssaxman 2y ago

Of course parents can go to all kinds of events - sometimes they just have to arrange for childcare.

hungie 2y ago

I disagree with your reason, but agree with your conclusion. We've been pretty unforgiving and cruel to both mothers and children for a long, long time.

Aloha 2y ago

I'm not suited for raising children as a primary parent, but I'm happy to be part of that village raising kids.

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BadHumans 2y ago

I think the callousness towards parents is earned. I have seen children destroy gardens and when parents are told they show no remorse or attempts to reprimand the child. You are told to calm down they are just being kids. Of course this leads to people seeing children as a nuisance.

gspencley 2y ago
I agree. I'm a parent with two (now adult) daughters. I'm not intolerant of other peoples' children because I am personally child-free or was an only child (though I was). I'm intolerant of other peoples' children when those children draw attention to themselves. If your kid is quiet and keeps to themselves, then I haven't even noticed them in the first place in order to take issue. The reason I take issue is because your kid is being loud or obnoxious and ruining my experience in (grocery store | restaurant | movie theatre | public transportation | anywhere that I'm politely minding my own business but your kid is forcing me to know that it exists). As people like to say when discussing rights and freedoms: your rights end where my nose begins. My wife and I recently travelled to Walt Disney World for a vacation. While in a hotel lobby we walked past a child around 8 or 9 years-old (if I had to guess) accompanied by a man that I assumed was his father. As we walked past, the kid punched my wife in the arm. It wasn't a mistake. He telegraphed the hell out of it. When I confronted the father he just smiled and shrugged it off. If people didn't constantly have to deal with situations like the above, then we could talk about being more tolerant towards other peoples' children. But if it's not a child invading physical boundaries, it's auditory. God help those of us with misophonia that have to listen to children make the most hideous noises (and not always due to a temper tantrum, sometimes it's just loud screeching or yelling as part of play or whatever). Why should anyone have to tolerate this? And no, I don't blame the children, I blame the parents. But who is at fault is irrelevant. No one should be obligated to put up with assholes whether those assholes are 40 years-old or 4 years-old.

squigz 2y ago

> Part of this is because of increased childlessness Another way of phrasing this is more people are choosing not to have children - one motivation probably being that they can actually be quite a nuisance, a sentiment I've heard from literally every parent I've ever talked to. Parents do deserve to go to all kinds of events - and generally are allowed to. Parents do not have the right to disturb events for people who choose not to have kids.

sickofparadox 2y ago
That is true but not really what I was getting at. Because there are fewer children today, the average person has no casual interaction with children in their day to day, something that was rare in days past. This has led to the idea that children do not belong anywhere that is not explicitly a "family area" which disqualifies them (parents) from going places they need to be, such as events focused on the importance of being a mother and business owner!