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According to wikipedia: > National Novel Writing Month, often shortened to NaNoWriMo (/ˌnænoʊˈraɪmoʊ/ NAN-oh-RY-moh),[1] is a U.S.-based nonprofit organization

According to wikipedia: > National Novel Writing Month, often shortened to NaNoWriMo (/ˌnænoʊˈraɪmoʊ/ NAN-oh-RY-moh),[1] is a U.S.-based nonprofit organization that promotes creative writing around the world. Its flagship program is an annual, international creative writing event in which participants attempt to write a 50,000-word manuscript during the month of November. It makes absolutely no sense to accept stuff written by an AI

schwartzworld 2y ago
I did nanowrimo a decade ago. Dunno if it changed, but back then the only prize was the pride of having finished writing a short novel. So why not “accept” ai content? You can’t really cheat at solitaire. You would just be cheating yourself. It’s not like anybody else is going to read it.
- nopelynopington 2y ago
  Still the same. No prizes.
dialup_sounds 2y ago
For who to accept it? It's not a competition. What they actually say is: > 'Winning' is a personal achievement and has always been based on the honor system! If using AI will assist your creative process, you are welcome to use it. Using ChatGPT to write your entire novel would defeat the purpose of the challenge, though.
mindcrime 2y ago
It makes absolutely no sense to accept stuff written by an AI Not calling you out specifically here, but this line seems to me to reflect a trend that I see far too often. That being something like a variation of the "fallacy of the excluded middle" where people seem to posit that a work is either A. written by a human OR B. written by AI, with no recognition of possibility C. written by a human assisted by AI. I don't know what it is about this issue that makes people adopt these overly binary positions and ignore the middle ground. But whatever the reason, I think it's harmful to quality discourse on the topic to ignore that middle position.
- poulpy123 2y ago
  I don't think getting inspiration with a LLM or using AI to proofread your text is concerned here. But the point of this event is to provide a creative outlet for people. If you accept submissions written in part or totality by AI what is the point to host it ?
- andrewl-hn 2y ago
  Oh, I have a good example: While not AI, tools like Grammarly can offer suggestions for synonyms, removing unnecessary words, re-phasing, etc. so they go beyond spell and grammar checking, and people have been using these tools for NaNoWriMo for a long time. The middle ground definitely exists, and at seems like defining a line between what would be acceptable and non-acceptable use is really difficult and potentially futile.
- blargey 2y ago
  The lack of discussion of a middle ground is a product of how genAI is right now. 1) most genAI tools are explicitly catered towards “prompt goes in, complete work comes out” usage. 2) the ideal middle path results in a work where there are no “tells” that genAI was involved, because the “tells” are just blatant flaws anyone with the skill and taste to follow a “middle path” of AI usage would have fixed in post anyway. So the genAI question won’t come up at all unless your goal was to make A Point instead of a work.
  - mindcrime 2y ago
    1) most genAI tools are explicitly catered towards “prompt goes in, complete work comes out” usage. That's probably a fair point. And I might have missed that because I don't really use any "Gen AI tools" that are purpose specific, besides Github Copilot and that's for code, not prose. And in that context, Copilot (at least the way I use it, which is rarely using the "chat" feature) is generally generating small snippets for me, not large, complex structures. And in my mind, I imagine using something like Gemini or ChatGPT in a similar way. I guess I assume if I were using one of those tools to help me write prose, I'd be using it break "writer's block" with a prompt like > given everything that has happened so far, what might the character Suzy do here? or just asking it to clean up grammar for me > Can you rewrite this chunk so it sounds neater and maybe is slightly reminiscent of Dean Koontz or something like that. A GenAI tool that allows you to input a single prompt and get a complete novel or something like that would be of no interest to me whatsoever and probably wouldn't even come across my radar (or wouldn't register any attention if it did).

schwartzworld 2y ago

I did nanowrimo a decade ago. Dunno if it changed, but back then the only prize was the pride of having finished writing a short novel. So why not “accept” ai content? You can’t really cheat at solitaire. You would just be cheating yourself. It’s not like anybody else is going to read it.

nopelynopington 2y ago
Still the same. No prizes.

dialup_sounds 2y ago

For who to accept it? It's not a competition. What they actually say is: > 'Winning' is a personal achievement and has always been based on the honor system! If using AI will assist your creative process, you are welcome to use it. Using ChatGPT to write your entire novel would defeat the purpose of the challenge, though.

mindcrime 2y ago

It makes absolutely no sense to accept stuff written by an AI Not calling you out specifically here, but this line seems to me to reflect a trend that I see far too often. That being something like a variation of the "fallacy of the excluded middle" where people seem to posit that a work is either A. written by a human OR B. written by AI, with no recognition of possibility C. written by a human assisted by AI. I don't know what it is about this issue that makes people adopt these overly binary positions and ignore the middle ground. But whatever the reason, I think it's harmful to quality discourse on the topic to ignore that middle position.

poulpy123 2y ago
I don't think getting inspiration with a LLM or using AI to proofread your text is concerned here. But the point of this event is to provide a creative outlet for people. If you accept submissions written in part or totality by AI what is the point to host it ?
andrewl-hn 2y ago
Oh, I have a good example: While not AI, tools like Grammarly can offer suggestions for synonyms, removing unnecessary words, re-phasing, etc. so they go beyond spell and grammar checking, and people have been using these tools for NaNoWriMo for a long time. The middle ground definitely exists, and at seems like defining a line between what would be acceptable and non-acceptable use is really difficult and potentially futile.
blargey 2y ago
The lack of discussion of a middle ground is a product of how genAI is right now. 1) most genAI tools are explicitly catered towards “prompt goes in, complete work comes out” usage. 2) the ideal middle path results in a work where there are no “tells” that genAI was involved, because the “tells” are just blatant flaws anyone with the skill and taste to follow a “middle path” of AI usage would have fixed in post anyway. So the genAI question won’t come up at all unless your goal was to make A Point instead of a work.
- mindcrime 2y ago
  1) most genAI tools are explicitly catered towards “prompt goes in, complete work comes out” usage. That's probably a fair point. And I might have missed that because I don't really use any "Gen AI tools" that are purpose specific, besides Github Copilot and that's for code, not prose. And in that context, Copilot (at least the way I use it, which is rarely using the "chat" feature) is generally generating small snippets for me, not large, complex structures. And in my mind, I imagine using something like Gemini or ChatGPT in a similar way. I guess I assume if I were using one of those tools to help me write prose, I'd be using it break "writer's block" with a prompt like > given everything that has happened so far, what might the character Suzy do here? or just asking it to clean up grammar for me > Can you rewrite this chunk so it sounds neater and maybe is slightly reminiscent of Dean Koontz or something like that. A GenAI tool that allows you to input a single prompt and get a complete novel or something like that would be of no interest to me whatsoever and probably wouldn't even come across my radar (or wouldn't register any attention if it did).